DOA5LR Bass General Discussion: World Champion Edition

UncleKitchener · Feb 16, 2015

We're back again from 5U and Bass is pretty much unchanged, though he did get tweaks to further help him with his throw-heavy meta game.

Similar to the previous general discussion thread, I'll be regularly updating this thread with new links and updates and cool stuff.

Overall, Bass will probably not get any further changes in future updates since he's pretty much a complete character at this point.

Useful Tools
These are a collection of what could be considered useful for Bass and could be incorporated in your game.

(Hell Stab) ()

Still 12i(-8 on block) and still stuns on hit. Your fastest high and main poke for counter hits and trades. You should use this all the time to interrupt. Useful when you want to trade with jabs or quick highs which you can beat in terms of damage and change momentum.

This move does actually re-juggle in Tag Mode for combos.

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13i. Basic jab into mixups.

The

ender is the same as neutral standing

, which is a GB (+2).
The

is a safe GB (-4), but interruptible.
The

ender is the same as neutral

which allows you to go into your while-rising mixups.

itself is Bass' primary normal hit and counter hit natural combo when not facing a back-turned opponent and is not plus on hit, but it has very good recovery and can be used for tick throw setups and critical stun extensions.

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is the new Magnum in Bass' arsenal. The

kick in unholdable on normal hit and is also a counter-hit natural combo with +5 on hit.
The kick in this string has the same properties as the

, which causes a sit-down stun on crouching opponents. The SDS can potentially be extended with another dash (or crouch dash)

or a guaranteed

.

It's an annoying poke string, so people will hate you for constantly throwing this out and the second hit is unholdable on anything but Hi-counter hit from the first hit.

Another very good property of

is that it's a tracking string (both hits are linear, but have quick transitions) and the second hit is mid and causes sit-down stun on crouching opponents, which will be the bane of characters with special sidestep moves like Christie, Bayman, Mila, Rachel, etc. who can be caught in crouching position and end up in a sit-down stun.

The

ender in the

string can be interrupted before the last hit on block, but it has amazing recovery even on SS and it's only -2 on block. Thanks to it's very good recovery, it's hard to punish this move outside of defensive holds as sidestepping this move late means that you can't punish it easily. It's a fairly telegraphed move, so expect people to hold you on reaction.

The

ender is -4 on block as it's the same as

, meaning it's safe and unlike the

ender, it cannot be interrupted on block at any point in the string outside of high crushes/crouching, and unlike the

, it can be comboed into from

on both normal hit and CH/HCH.

Keep in mind that both string enders are linear, so you can still get punished by sidesteps if the opponent sidesteps anything past the second and third hits.

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Tracking 22i low (-16) with great potential for mix-ups. One of his best lows and high-crush moves, next to

. First hit causes a critical stub with high and mid follow-ups. Try to mix this up with the second

and TFBB and other throws/OHs.

on its own is a very good tool to measure and condition an opponent in a match.

The

follow-up now has a 2-frame hold window, which might make it harder to hold, but it also means that the hold will always be hi-counter and more rewarding for the defending player if they react. This can still be used for conditioning by occasionally throwing out

.

The

high followup has very limited use outside of certain mix-ups. You can actually combo into this from

if the first hits as a half-hit and doesn't cause a trip stun. Overall, not very useful at all and you will pribably never use this followup.

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i17 startup with the second punch being -8 on block. The first hit crushes highs and the second puts opponent into critical stun.

A very essential string to incorporate into your game as it can be game changer on counter or high-counter and it can also lead to other types of setups such as TFBB or WR

, both of which are WR moves. With enough conditioning, you can do mix-ups which your opponent may not expect. This first punch is -5 on normal hit and your follow-up is -8 on block, but is rarely punished and the string is wholly uninterruptible if you don't delay it too much, unless it''s crushed on reaction, which is hard to do and might never happen, unless it's against a very experienced player.

If you're looking for a move that can change the tide with a good counter-hit, this is it and it's one of your essential high-crush moves for this character.

Moves with Guard-Break and Guard-Crush Properties

These are the tools that play a big part in Bass' game as you really need the frame advantage from some of these strikes to gain momentum. These also help with conditioning your opponent and setting frame traps, so learning what causes GB/Guard Crush is important.
Some of these also simply cause GB because of their long recovery like running

.

Here's a quick list:

Standing

(+2)

(+2)
Any string that ends with the Power Gong

(-3~-4)
Charged up

:[[P]]: (+10)

(+10)
Third hit of

(+6-7)

(0 to +1)

:[[P]]: (+18)
Second hit of

(+5~+7)

(+4)

(+3)
Running

(-16 to -3, depending on hit depth)

(-2 to +7. Range-dependent and has loads of active frames)

:[p+k]: (+16 only when you have less than 50% health)
WR

(new) (Only the first hit, which is 0, leading directly into BT)

(+6~+11)

:[[P]]:

:[[K]]: (+24~+30)

(+1)
BT

(+1~+2)

(0~+3)

(+8)

(+6)

(+3)

(+2 to +3)

(-4~0)

(+3)

:[[H]]:

:[[K]]: (+8)

(+1, but only on deep hit).

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Tracking natural combo on normal hit with slightly better range than normal

. Third

GBs (+6) and tracks. Long delay between all hits. The first two punches can act as juggle extenders for light and medium weight characters, especially against the wall for max damage combos.

Mixing the string up with either the

ender which causes GB and the

ender which causes deep stun is a good idea, even though the

is unsafe (-8).

is a full stun combo on CH/HCH which leads to max stun threshold, though holdable. This can potentially lead to a CB.

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A great tracking mid poke. 15i and safe on block (-4).

On CH and HCH, it gives you a gut stun (note: not a crumple gut stun). Good move if used in conjunction with

as they are both 15i, with

having tracking properties (more on

below).

One major weakness of the poke however is the range, which is rather short, but if the opponent does decide to press a button, you'll beat it out thanks to the size of hurtboxes in case you out-prioritize them.

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15i mid kick (-6 ~ -7).

Hoo boy, people really hate this move when they're put in hard situations. Great mid-range poke. It causes sit-down stun on crouching opponents which can be followed up with

or

. Can be used after

or sit-down after

to extend with another sit-down stun for a guaranteed launcher (

).

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are both tracking safe mids, with the second punch being a GB (-4), meaning that it would be safe to throw out both

and the follow-up.

replaces the old DOA3

with the re-launch nerfed and there is more recovery on the kick than normal

, which make the kick very unsafe on block (-17). However, if the kick connects on its own, you'd get a higher launch. It's a good 'instant' launcher that is not a NC but it's hard to see, especially on CH/HCH, though experienced players would probably just go for the high hold, which is where you can bait holds or go for your mid followup. You can condition someone so that they start pressing buttons after

and so then you can launch them with the kick or use it in situations like in Bass' option select. On CH launch, you can usually get a

followup, which leads into the blender/vortex, except on super heavies.

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Since DOA5,

stuns on normal hit and causes a lift stun, which is great as a stun move, making it a very good poke with acceptable speed (18i) and decent reach. It is very applicable in juggles where it has relaunching properties with good potential followup options thanks to the recovery. It also covers a good distance and doesn't cause wall splats, making it Bass' primary juggle extender.

Now, it's not very safe at -7, only punished with guaranteed 6Ts by grapplers, but it's still worth throwing out because it is worth the risk.

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22i (-4). Ah, good ol' Fist of Justice. It guarantees no pickups, but it's still a good safe circular mid that would force opponents to think twice before stepping you. You can still get a ground throw if your opponent delays their roll or does a wake up kick, but that's still pretty risky for both players. Usually, you're safer going for a ground

and condition them to roll away and having to deal with your other options.

But even despite the changes to it in 5U and LR, it's still one his best tracking moves, simply shutting down options and shifting momentum.

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23i (-9). A new tracking mid punch that causes either a limbo stun or a crumple gut stun on CH or HCH depending on your stance, which is pretty good and something which Bass has been missing since DOA3 and really needed. It's unsafe, but the reward for getting a CH with this move makes up for it and even on normal stun it can lead to a standing

or

, that is if the opponent doesn't stagger escape. There are some setups for it which I'll be going through in the post below, but generally you'd do this after a pick-up from hard knockdown (specially the FDFA ones) or after BT OH.

I swear, it looks like a Mishima f+2.

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This has become safe on hit (0 on hit) and it helps with his mix-up game in critical stun or on CH/HCH due to the slip stuns which allows for mix-up between

and

or

.

Generally, it turns into a straight 50/50 guess your opponent has to make.

This is also his fastest low (16i), though it doesn't crush highs, so it will come in handy in situations when you have to interrupt mix-ups like Brad's.

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A good mid kick with Clean Hit property and +3 on block, so it's advantageous to use and has decent priority (18i) and range too. This can also be his Running

move. Leaves you in back-turned position, so it can be fatal on whiff or SS as it's linear.

Despite its linearity, it is one of the best moves to use for transitioninv into BT.

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14i mid kick (-10) making it his fastest mid. Your best juggle-ender and in some cases, your only juggle-ender. Pretty essential string overall.

The

ender (

) only causes a hard knockdown if the first hit connects or if the punch hits on CH/HCH. The

ender causes critical stun unlike normal

, but he can be interrupted on block in-between the two kicks if the first is blocked.

itself on hit has a three way mixup: link into

in case the opponent doesn't slow escape (99% of the time, people won't do that on the first hit), go straight into the

ender or just go for the

followup. With enough conditioning, you can even catch an opponent holding and punish.

usually guarantees a ground pick-up in most cases on standing opponents only when they're close enough (though you can buffer in a dash to make sure you get the pickup), so it's better than juggle enders like

or his regular air throw when you consider that you need to have your opponent close to you if you want to keep them pressured.

This is the central part of his new option-select/blender in 5U where ending a juggle with this string. Your two outcomes are:
a) Opponent doesn't tech the ground slam and ends up being picked up by Bass (+13) or
b) Opponent techs, Bass whiffs the throw, but is still at frame advantage (usually +6~+11).
Integrate this into your game and maintain the pressure with your blender.

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First hit puts your opponent into critical, forcing them to guess. From them on you have a three-way mixup. Generally, these strings are mostly used in combos, like

after most wall bounces or

in some air combos.

On hit or in stun, the second

from the

string causes a sit-down stun with good recovery and it can guarantee a

.

Sadly, the use of

is entirely optional or redundant now in juggles outside of wall-bounce/splat juggles as it no longer guarantees any ground pickup.

can cause enough hit-stun so that it can actually be linked into standing

. Other than that, I got nothing.

is a decent for when you want a safe and short string, but can be crushed and both hits are high. While it's very underused and forgettable, it ends up being a rather sneaky range tool, catching anyone off guard.

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16i (-12) is one of his best launchers due to the speed and range it covers and it even has some high crush properties, even though it's only a few frames and compared to his his other crushes, it isn't that effective. Use this. It's great. Only down-side is that it's linear and unsafe on its own, but the second

follow-up is another mid that GBs (+5) and it can also cause a sit-down stun on NH, but you just need to hit-confirm so that you don't prematurely end your juggle opportunity in case you do get to launch your opponent.

This string can also combo if the first hit connects, but you'd normally not use that outside some corner situations, against the wall or on Heavies.

On walls, the second knock-down can grant a pick-up, but it's frame specific, so try it out in practice mode. Probably the only thing which guarantees a pickup from a juggle from 5U onwards, which makes it really good.

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Both 17i. Your other launchers after

, with

being the mid knee launcher which is unsafe (-14) and

being his high launcher (-17).

Juggles and air-grabs from

are range dependent due to the active frames, though

has a huge hit box now, so just roll with that if you're unsure. Since

also has such good recovery, you can simply stun an opponent, launch and land something more damaging like

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,
though you might even avoid that because it doesn't guarantee pickups unlike DOA5 and

can be a better option since it gives you your primary option-select.

The great thing about

is that it doesn't wall splat, so Bass has a good launcher against walls. It also launches higher than

as you can reliably get a normal air-grab from a normal launch on all weight classes.

has a lower launch height on normal hit from DOA5U onwards, but it's still a great relaunch tool in combos and launches high in stun or Counter/Hi-Counter hit.

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Something you'd probably use on critical stun or if you feel like playing poker with your health bar in the neutral game, delay it. One interesting thing to note is that

on CH or HCH in water or other slippery surfaces can lead to a guaranteed follow-up or

sit-down stun no matter what, which can elevate it to being a very good move on water. This also works with

, but only if the second kick connects on CH/HCH.

Another advantage of this move is the

follow up which causes a lift stun on hit, making it a good follow up in stun, CB setup or even as a good risky thing to do because people still don't realize that

cannot be interrupted on normal hit from the first strike.

Not the most useful too and you might even for get it's out there, but

on its own is worth keeping in the back of your mind simply due to the counter hit properties on slippery surfaces.

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A good full-circular move that puts Bass in back-turned position. One major weakness of this was that if you performed this on block, most characters could do whatever to you easily as it was so unsafe and it only had a high string-ender.

In 5U, it's been buffed by having a mid string-ender with the new

which can also be incorporated into Power Launcher combos. This helped with the issue he had with

on block which was too unsafe and it will also help with conditioning opponents who try to duck after

This essentially buffed some of his BT mixups. More on his BT strategies later.

may look familiar because it's another incarnation of DOA3

. The difference is that it's a built in string mix-up with

, BT

, BT throw and the new BT low OH. Probably doesn't have any use in combos, outside of Power Launcher combos. One new thing to note is that the trass kick is a mid-kick now, meaning that it was changed to fit into his usual low-mid mix-ups and in some cases doesn't launch super high anymore, like after wall-bounce resets, but the kick in thr string has retained some the properties of the older kick.

I made a write up while looking more into these strings back in 5U.

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Your 20i CB (-6) with a grab follow-up.

Its unique properties are that it's the only unholdable CB with a grab follow-up in the game and it's safe on block. Puts the opponent into critical stun on hit. However, it's not safe after a hold, since the attack has some recovery which he can be struck during that period.

One great thing about it is the hit stun being non-staggarable with loads of potential.

In 5U and LR it has been buffed by having the grab transition into an air-throw for juggles. This makes it very useful in juggles and allows for more juggle options for Bass. Not very good in terms of oki as the grab throws the opponent away, but unlike the

airthrow which throws the opponent too far away, you can still use your mid to long range pokes on wake up.

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A rather average charge move that has been slightly buffed from 5U onwards, by having the max charge toned down. Starts from 40i and max charge is at 60 now. Still crushes highs. It needs to be fully charged for you to get that +24 on guard and puts your opponent into inescapable stagger, otherwise you'll only get +6 (which is still good). After wall-splat, it guarantees a

on all characters for max-damage.

It's still pretty slow, but the buff helps and it comes in handy when you get a good read and get a high crush for good damage and it's also good as a ranged tool.

One very good application of this move is in unholdable setups found by @ThatOneAznJosh and @Rich Nixon. These setups essentially create an unblockable situation for a teching player at a wall.

WR ()

This is a slow move, but it crushes highs, covers distance, GBs (0), puts you in BT position and it also puts an opponent into a lift stun on hit. This could be an interesting move to use for conditioning someone for when you go into BT both on hit and on GB.

This also plays a role in his BT game, especially after hit, which puts your opponent in a mix-up situation. Again, more on that later.

The follow-up for this move is the same as

which can cause a double-hit on the wall and knocks back.

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A slow (27i) but great tracking mid which also GBs (+3) with very good range.

In 5U and LR, you can get a bound on normal hit, which can be followed-up by moves like

or

(You can also use

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for more damage but it has less favorable oki). On CH and HCH, you can still get your air-throw or preferred follow-up of choice similar to DOA5.

This is also one of his BEST launchers at maximum stun threshold or after CB on open ground (if PB/PL is not available) for all weight classes as it universally launches high enough for an air-grab or

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and it causes the most damage (with the exception of the Power Launcher, but that's a special case).

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It's -4 on guard and causes GB, which means that it won't hurt if you throw it out from a distance or if you know you're going to interrupt your opponent during an attack. It also has a pretty good mid-range reach. You can get a quick ground pick-up if you are close enough (usually, it's quite consistent in terms of range).

Decent tool against wake-up kicks due to its low-crush properties and higher damage when trading. It does crush lows, but not during the first few start-up frames, so keep that in mind. If timed perfectly, it can even beat mid wake-up kicks. You can even buffer a TFBB after this due to the fact that you recovery crouching and that counts as a WR situation, but you'd rarely get that opportunity as most people would press buttons after blocking this.

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20i (+2). A good keep-away move and causes KD on hit. Very safe due to the GB (+2) is faster than

, has good close to mid range reach and can crush lows instantly. Another good move against wake-up kicks. It's major disadvantages are however the short range and the recovery on whiff.

In some situations you can actually crush mids like mid wakeup kicks due to the fact that you recover while you're laying down but this can actually be fatal on whiff due to the long recovery.

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19i. Good for closing the gaps and safe on block (0~+3). You can also jump over get-up kicks with this in some hard-knockdown situations and it's also good for a quick position change after said knockdown, but the main application of this move is for closing distance and whiff punishment, which it should be used for primarily.

People are slowly falling into the habit of teching this move, which means that you'd end up getting more frame advantage from them teching than you'd get if you manage to get a ground pick-up. In case they do tech, you're at enough frame advantage to stop anything from your launchers to your OHs.

Also, it gives a good opportunity to buffer WR mixups like WR

or TFBB.

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Bass' Power Launcher. A fairly good PL with good range, though it doesn't have any crush properties despite the animation.

This opens some new avenues for Bass after CB! and you can get above average damage with your CB combos and one thing that Bass does well in is dealing loads of damage as he has good relaunch tools and can take full advantage of this after a PL.

Taiwanese player @866AiN999 made a nice PL Compilation video, which is a great place to start.

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21i guard break move (+6) which can crush high at certain frames and has very good range.

While it doesn't crush highs immediately, it can still be used in certain situations where you think a jab happy opponent would try to jab you out of something. This applies to situations where you are anywhere from -2 to +10 or more frame advantage as the move doesn't crush highs immediately, but the crush window is long.

One issue with this move is that it's always +1 on any hit type, so that may become an issue where you are playing against fast characters and you may need more frame advantage, but the distance you're left allows you to make good use of your mid-range tools or just dash back and get a breather. Personally, the positives in this case outweigh the negatives.

Here is a write up I did after a bit more experimenting.

Running ()

A desperation move. Rather risky even though it has a long active window, has good range, does damage and can crush most lows. Its major downside is the variable safety especially when done up close (-15), so try and mix it up with running

, which is safe (though, technically, it's good practice to not do running moves at neutral game and just try to gradually get close).

There are ways to make it safe, but due to its many active frames, it becomes difficult figuring out when is the right time to press the button to get a safe -3 or -4 so that you don't end up getting low-thrown.

Back-turned ()

This is one of those kicks that has the best of both worlds. 15i, causes sit-down stun on CH and crouching opponents and now it tracks too, making it one of Bass' best tools in his Back-turned mix-up game. Sure, it's unsafe, but the reward for scoring a counter hit with this is very high.

It can guarantee a launcher if not staggered on fastest. Try to actually mix this move up with other tools, like BT

, BT

(same startup and tracking) or the BT OHs.

Back-turned ()

This is one of those move that has a very specific usefulness and it does what it does well. With the new addition of

, you can also make use of this in PL combos. Usually in PL combos, you'd probably want to dash underneath the opponent and just use BT

instead of

, but the environment should dictate which tool is used.

Throws
Being a grappler, these tools are pretty much your bread and butter because they can do more damage than combos and your throw punish game can win matches thanks to your awesome throws and their high damage.

Keep in mind and despite what the toolkit says regarding the startup of throws, you always need to add one more frame to a throw's startup if you want to punish moves.

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Your basic 4i throw. Unlike the old Falcon Arrow, which put your opponent in the face-down-feet-away position, this one lays them down in a face-up-feet-toward position instead. It looks pretty cool too. It's more of a conditioning tool rather than a punishing tool, but in some cases, you really have to use it as a punish and for a normal throw it actually deals good damage for a neutral throw.

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6i, 50 DMG. Your head-butt and one of your best friends. Awesome throw and leaves your opponent in standing position and leave you with +10. Bounces the opponent back when done against fences/electric ropes at certain ranges and has a wall version that gives you a reset at the wall and is great for pressure.

This is one of the major momentum shift tools for Bass and sometimes it may even end up winning you rounds and matches and the psychological effect of doing more than one of these in a row is really important because you are forcing the opponent to make a mistake instead of standing still, because by the second headbutt, they've already taken 100 damage, which is a 1/3 of a life bar.

The throw on back turned opponents leaves them closer to you than the normal version, which is also very good for pressure.

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Very important part of your game as you can condition your opponent simply by attempting to go for the throw, which would force your opponent to do things that would benefit you, such as teching and give you loads of frame advantage or recklessly go for wake-up options that would leave them vulnerable.

Getting a pickup throw after a hard knockdown pretty much puts you in the driving seat and you have momentum to condition the opponent and try to force them to make mistakes or condition them to do what you want them to do.

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8i and 72 DMG. Does very good damage and has a wall version (for when you back is to the wall) that also does very good damage overall. Recommended throw for punishing holds on reactions due to its speed and it's great damage.

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8i. A good chain-throw. It's short and does close to the same amount of damage as the TFBB. While it's the same speed as

, you'd probably go for this if you want to deal more damage with a quick chain throw that does above average damage. In Ultimate and LR, you can only get a ground slam with the second part, so you can get to finish the whole chain throw.

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11i and a more damaging chain-throw.

(Kitchen Sink > Push Away) is a very valuable asset to your arsenal as it guarantees

(or

on an opponent who's good at stagger escaping and holding at the same time) which may guarantee a back-turned ground pick-up or other opportunities.

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New Hit-throw for Bass. Pretty cool move. 20i and +4 on block. Can be done when opponent is in critical stun (but not at the end of the threshold or after Critical Bursts).

One important thing to note is that this transitions into the Grizzly chain-throw series on back-turned opponents. On water, you can actually end up getting the fully charged version of the chain throw, which does the most damage. Has a few very nasty setups in 5U and LR, like after

after a BT

(that is if the opponent doesn't stagger escape).

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Ah, Bass' own super launcher OH. Probably the only character in the game with such a tool, but there are some important things to note about this, especially in 5U and LR if you don't want to be severely punished for using it.

There are different ranges on different charges. The normal 18i versions with no charge has good range (but still shorter than

), but if you start charging it, your range is going to be shortened quite considerably and from 28i onwards, it's going to stay the same until you reach max charge. At 37i, you get into long range territory and even if the tooltip gives you a +2.00m range, it's an error, because Bass actually step forward, which adds to the range and makes it his longest reaching OH. The range has been really buffed in Ultimate, which one of the good buffs, but the trade was the range reduction on the half-charge, which is very noticeable. The half-charge can sometimes whiff in your face which is very dangerous, but since most people tend to press buttons usually and the 28i half-charge is very had to see, you may end up with a 100+ damage OH on someone if you catch em.

The launching version should be quite obvious. You launch someone into the air and unless you've been living under a rock back in the DOA5 days, then you probably know the combo opportunities you can get, but one thing is very crucial to the combos you do from this launcher is that 99% of your combos start with

(jab guard cancel). This lets you maximize your damage in combos, no matter what character you're against.

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11i new inescapable chain throw. This and the Kitchen Sink are your two primary 12 frame punishers. The chain throw consists of three parts:

1) Wasteland: First part of the chain-throw where Bass puts an opponent into a fireman's carry and proceeds to slam them to the side he's facing. This finish gives no oki other than having to deal with wakeups kicks. No point in going for this unless there are ground floors involved.

2) Attitude Adjustment: This is a fireman's carry takeover and Bass' slams the opponent down behind him. This has been slightly nerfed in damage, but it still grants good oki. You can buffer a quick dash and perform back-turned pickup on an opponent after this option and it's guaranteed. Probably the preferred option on normal throw.

3) F5: The final part is the most damaging option, so it's the most preferred option on hi-counter throw. This part leave Bass facing the same direction unlike the AA which throws the opponent behind him. In LR it has been buffed in terms of damage.

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16i from While Standing state in LR with more range out of any command throw in the game. The second most damaging throw in the game (first being Alpha's

) and does a huge chunk on hi-counter. Grants your regular gotta-deal-with-wakeupkicks oki, but it's still not horrible considering the damage you're dishing out.

While not actually usable as a throw punish without the use of just frame magic or a programmable sticks (unless you do it against very unsafe moves like 7Ks), this throw has many uses in the neutral game and thankfully has loads of shortcuts thanks to the buffer system filling in all the gaps for you. Here's a list of the shortcuts discovered so far:

(King's GS)

(delay)

(Potemkin Buster)

(one of the faster shortcuts since you're already buffering the last part)

(this is the normal way of doing this throw, but it also covers the
most distance out of all the other options)

(Recovers in crouching state; counts as WR)

(Same as above)

(Possibly the oldest trick in the book since DOA2)

Some of these shortcuts are pure fluff while others will come in handy in all situations.

With the many different properties including a wall, ceiling and cliff versions, you have loads of damage potential to completely change a round.

Totally recommended.

Running ()

A running i10 throw. Good for throwing out if you know the opponent won't retaliate or might try to hold, since their only two options are mid-punch/mid-kick hold or SS.

Certain characters like Hayate, Christie or Bayman can ignore this, but a well-placed

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or a low OH would make them think twice, that is if they don't initiate it first.

Keep in mind that it has a very noticeable recovery animation, so expect to eat damage if you whiff.

air-grab

A fairly simple grab and rather forgiving in terms of height requirement. Try to perform this when there's a wall next to you.

Since this throw is stance dependent, you need to know that Bass will throw the opponent the direction opposite to his leading foot in a stance. For example, if he has his left foot forward, he going to throw the opponent to his right side and if it's his right foot forward, then he'll throw them to the left side.

chain air-grab

The old Gator Slam -> Broken Toy chain air-throw from DOA3. You need to keep in mind that this tool works best with environments and that you can throw an opponent to your front or back. You also need to be a little closer than the normal air-throw to connect. This is usually the preferred finish for most of Bass' max-damage combos.

Gives rather bad oki on open ground, which is its only downside in my opinion.

BT standing OH ()

11 frame (10i) OH which guarantees combos and set-ups. Shifts position and gives you 21 frames of advantage on counter and high-counter throw and +15 on normal throw, giving you loads of highly damaging or advantageous setups guaranteed. Oh CT/HCT, it guarantees

which can lead to a sit-down stun.

Doing this after

on block would actually make this a 7i OH as

is +3 on block, making it the fastest OH in the game (well, it still is the fastest standing OH in the game anyway). Performing this after a successful BT

would make this a 1-frame OH and very scary if you're on the receiving end because you are forced into a legit 50/50 situation.

A crucial part of your game. Take the most advantage you can from this tool.

BT low OH ()

New back turned low OH that acts like a reset that gives +10 and leave Bass BT. Can lead directly into standing BT OH, turning it into a potential looping tool and forcing most characters into a 50/50 mix-up situation.

It benefits from more range than the standing BT OH.

& ()

(4i and 5i respectively) Your standard low throws. Both cause ground slam. Not much to say about these except for

, which does pretty good damage, especially as low hold punish, but is one frame slower than

.

is the most damaging normal low throw punish in the game (75 DMG), so if you're into getting more damage for your low punishment game, consider getting good at buffering the crouch dash motion.

low OH

Your standard low 10i OH. Does good damage and has decent range. Also causes a ground slam. Changes position.

Moves that are decent, but have limited use

:[[P]]: () / () / ()

A string with a throw-transition mixup. The

has a short range, is high, but it doesn't cause a wall slam on normal hit and it has great recovery and safety (-2).

The second

follow-up is a chargeable mid punch that has fairly okay safety without the charge (-5), but grant +10 if fully charged (fairly slow charge though).

into mid-charge

on hit will lead to a full threshold crumple gut stun which can force an opponent into holding as you can potentially lead up with a CB!.

The grab transition is the bear hug grab and it can sometimes whiff completely if the opponent is still in blockstun.

The new

ender is a sit-down stun on hit and a +10 GB. The transition between

and

is fairly long and slow, but you can get a lucky hit and get yourself a free launcher.

()

This used to be a good move with very decent range back in DOA3 as it was faster. Without Charge, it's 0 on block, but at full charge, it's +18. However, the fact that you can see this from a mile away, doesn't make it a good GB move to use unless it's on an inexperienced opponent or on wake up. It can however guarantee a pick-up or a free

on wall-hit.

()

This move is more of a taunt rather than an actually useful move unless you use it within the Muscle Man string (WR

). Most people don't know that this move actually has two hits and so they might try to grab you in your back-turned state, resulting in them getting hit with the second hit and stunned, but you should just consider that as a useless trivia. But If they do get hit, then just launch them from back-turned with

or cause a sit-down stun with BT

and get a guaranteed launcher. This move is -56 on block, btw and the second hit is -12, which is still very unsafe and it's even worse because you recover BT.

() / ()

Everybody knows these two moves. The first part is a very slow taunt which transitions into a running unblockable move with a lot of range (I reckon it's range 12 or maybe more). You can mix this up with the

mid that GBs and -2 on block at close range, so it's safe and you can add more frame advantage if you do it from long range.

Still something fun to throw out every now and then. These unblockable does actually have some tracking ability and even if someone steps all the way to your back or jumps over you, Bass will turn 180 around and chase you down. However, it is still a linear mix-up and both options are holdable/can be SSed and let's not forget that this is slooooow, so you'd never really use it even in a semi-serious match.

()

I got mixed feelings about this kick. On one hand, it looks really cool, it's safe and has very good range for a mid-range attack and it has fantastic recovery, so much that if someone does a low-hold, you'd have enough time to recover and throw them, but on the other hand, it's not the best option when your opponent is in stun. Same goes for

.

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Still a slow OH (32i), but has good damage and people fall for this all the time, especially on wake-up. Is this useful? Well, it can crush lows (very badly) and it's not abysmally slow for a damaging OH, but not be best option out there.

It's useful after pickups if you want to jump over an opponent's throw attempt if they try to punish your OH.

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The problem with this move is that it's slow and only causes a GB on deep hit, otherwise, it can be very abysmally unsafe on block and not very advantageous on hit, especially if the opponent techs, which is when you're at slight disadvantage. Good thing about it is that most people forget this move exists, even Bass players. Another advantage of it is that it crushes lows similar to

.

(AKA Electric Hell Stab) ()

A rather slow high tracking move, with GB property (+8) and it also has a long range (the second best thing about this move), but it's way too slow and doesn't SS any ground strikes. Though not at all impressive at first glance, this move has a very unique feature and that is its freestepping property.

This move actually side-steps jumping mid-string linear moves like Ayane's

, which Bass can dodge the third kick and hit Ayane afterwards during her recovery. This property makes this move more useful against specific jumping mixups. Other characters like Lisa and Momiji can have their mixups completely circumvented, as they have a lot of mix-ups with jumping moves (yes, even Lisa's jumping OHs) which this move steps around.

You can put your opponent against a wall into a mix-up as the +8 on guard can scare an opponent into thinking you'd throw them and so end up attacking for some hard nitaku. This may also lead to frame tarps if combined with

as you can't simply outright crush the throw with fuzzy guarding since the active frame of the throw is already out and it take a frame or two to fuzzy.

It also has the unique ability to beat mid wake-up kicks after an F5, but this also has limited use in that regard as wake-up kicks can be timed differently.

Back-turned ()

There is a reason why I've listed this same move in two different categories. This is a great CH/crouching launcher, though it's very situational. If you're in back-turned and want to provoke an enemy to attack you, this is a good tool to use, especially against jumping attacks, which causes a super-launch. In tag, it can be used after a very high launch to run under and perform this on an air-borne opponent to cause a super-high relaunch. This can also be used to relaunch after wall splat from

, but it requires proper spacing and in Ultimate, it's actually not a very attractive option for damage because you can only get

in DOA5U and LR. But if you do get a wall splat with

, then you might as well go for guaranteed damage and use this.

Can also be used in Power Launcher combos by dashing under the opponent.

Moves With Limited Use

(Spanish Sumo Stomp) ()

I don't even know what purpose this has other than being a very slow mid kick that doesn't even launch or bounce. The hard knock-down however guarantees a ground pick-up and it also hits grounded opponents, that is if they stay on the ground for a long sun tan, which no one does. However, no one expects the Spanish Sumo Stomp! If you're hit by this move, consider yourself owned.

It can also be free-stepped. Hella useful move, huh?

I suppose it would be more fair to consider this move useful for one particular situation and that is to create a trap for stunned opponent not willing to commit to either a hold but impulsive enough to try something if they see a limb moving. This can catch many people in those situations and can act as an interesting multilayered move.

Now, go out there and headbutt some losers.

UncleKitchener · Feb 16, 2015

In this post, I'd like to go through a few topics - some general and some specific - that might help people out.

General Approach
As a pure grappler, Bass plays very different to the rest of the case. He has few strikes and he's limited in that region, but his damage in both strike and throw department is high. His throws end up being some of his best tools, obviously. Every throw is good for different situations and they all benefit from environmental damage, so knowing what to use in any particular situation is very beneficial.

The general approach to have is to either wait and see what the opponent would do, punish their moves accordingly and take advantage of the momentum you get from said punishment you inflict. Once you do that, you get the frames and situations where you can use your slower moves.

While you need to be close to use your throws, your optimal range to keep from most characters is mid-range, as Bass has really good pokes and moves he can use to get in and whiff punish or launch.

While slow, the advantage of his quick strikes, especially moves like

is that trading with jabs would mean that you would win the trade and stun an opponent, enough to get a 50/50 mixup from there and start fishing for holds.

Just because an opponent isn't immediately holding in stun or not doing what you might expect them, don't think you've lost your momentum as you can still pressure and you have the tools to do it. Once you pressure your opponent more, that's when they start to break and leave themselves open to take a lot of damage.

The Back-turned game
Bass is one of those characters who with a strong back-turned/BT game. He takes advantage of a unique mix-up that can lead to a lot of damage, most of it guaranteed. In DOA5, this mix-up was strictly a 50/50 that could be fuzzied, but now the opponent has to be careful when fuzzying, because he has a BT low OH now too and that resets into BT. His BT options were very strong. I'll go through these options starting from the ones that were most commonly used in DOA5 and then I'll move onto tools which are new in DOA5U, as it's a major improvement over his old mixup.

BT Transition moves

The sefest way to transition into BT. The frame advantage and the range on this is reason enough to make it arguably the best transition move. The downside of this is that it knocks back on hit and it's linear, meaning that if you are SSed, you can get easily punished because the recovery of this move on whiff or evade is not forgiving.

This was a very strong option in DOA5 because the +3 on the kick made the BT OH only 7i (fastest OH in the game) and that was the best option against 9i jab characters.

This is still a strong option in 5U for Bass. You're always bound to get the frame advantage, but the

hitbox is pretty big and you need to get a deep or a semi-deep hit so you don't want whiff the BT OHs., unless you're confident enough that your other options will work.

An 19i high tracking move that puts Bass in BT and has follow-ups. I'll cover the other options a bit later.

This is your least likely option you'd throw out in the neutral game unless you're whiff punishing or you're certain they're going to try and press a button or SS. It's a fairly quick way of going into BT. Using this in the neutral game where it can be blocked is risky, but you now have a mixup with followups. Keep in mind that his follow ups can be interrupted on block by 9i jabbers or some mid-crush moves, though not all of them.

If this connect in a critical stun combo or after a counter hit, you have a mix-up with BT

which leads into a guaranteed launch or force your opponent to hold and use your BT OHs.

WR

This move has been buffed and crushes highs, so if you're either good at buffering this (which is not hard) or want to use this after something like

, then this is a farily safe move to use. It's a bit slow, high and it's linear, but the pros balance out the cons and it's a GB (0 on block), can force your opponent into a 50/50 (even Christie and her Jak stance) and causes a lift stun on anyhit, which can also go into a mix-up with

and BT OHs on hit.

Not recommended for BT transition as it's unsafe and is more of a taunt that does damage. You can use this on a stunned opponent to throw them into a wall and stay in BT at mid range because it actually does good damage for a 17i strike.

BT Tools
When in BT, you have a couple of very valuable tools you need to be mindful of.

BT

10i. One of the best OHs in the game and since you usually transition into it from a move that has frame advantage, it forces your opponent to commit to a decision. Very few characters can actually try and evade this move and they'd rather take a hit, but with more conditioning, you can make them regret that by doing something unexpected.

Seriously, this move is really fucking good.

When this connects, you're bound to get two different setups. On normal throw, you get +15 and can get damage up to 80 damage. For frame advantage, you can go for either

and immediately go for a pick up on BT opponent (+9) that nets you a new set of mixups against most of the cast or go straight for

for slightly more damage and advantage (+10), both of which I recommend depending on what you want to enforce on your opponent. You can also go for your two primary mid launchers,

and

and go for a combo with your psuedo-FT combos ending in

.

also applicable and is hard to both stagger escape and hold this to the point of being humanly impossible.

On Counter or Hi-Counter however, you get +21 and can take away +100 from your opponent's bar depending on environmental variables or the kind of oki you want out of that situations.

Primary options after this would be either

,

or

>

, all of which are guaranteed and give you good damage output. Again, it all depends on environmental variables or whether your opponent can stagger escape or not. Something like

>

does exactly half life in water, but comes with a price tag and that is if the opponent does stagger out of it, you can't get the intended results. Also keep in mind that many players are completely ignorant about this character outside of a few people who have probably seen his every tricks.

Again, it all depends on who your opponent is and what kind of environment you're in.

BT

This is very good for resetting into BT and comes with a +10 frame advantage if it connects, which can lead into a 1-frame transition into BT standing OH, which makes it a pretty nasty setup. The opponent can crouch immediately afterwards, though, which was an attempt by the devs to help intermediate players who don't know about fuzzy guarding or don't want to commit. You're usually at a safe position to go straight for a standing OH afterward, because the transition is very unexpected for most people and they have to make a very quick life or death decision here, because resets are pretty nasty in this game. Fuzzying out of this situation is also very difficult as the transition between the two OHs is just one frame and if you actually do try to fuzzy, the Bass player can go for another reset.

Also very good at stopping characters who want to

you when you're in BT.

BT

This kick is so good. 15i mid tracking kick that causes sit-down on CH/HCH, crouching and critical stun opponents and guarantees a launcher. That's pretty much it. If you're dealing with something too fast for BT

to counter, you can always fallback on the BT OH which will catch anything standing. For fast lows like Ayane or Nyo-Tengu's

s, you got the BT low OH, but in most other cases, BT

should take care of it.

It's so good that it really doesn't need a lengthy explanation.

BT

When you are uncertain and you're not sure whether an opponent is going to use a jumping move to try and beat your BT OHs, this is a safe string to fall back on as your BT jab is your fastest strike and the follow up kick can catch your opponent on Side steps and special stances and the follow-ups are both safe. The

can also become a 10i jab after

on block and the

is the same as

which can cause a sit-down stun. On counter hit, this string is a natural combo (2-in-1) too. How cool is that?

This and blocking are your safest options when in BT.

BT

Can actually be used in BT. Opponent want to hold mid kick? NOPE, we're going mid punch here.

BT Combos and Guaranteed Damage
This is for situations after landing either BT OHs, but your standing BT OH, is the real threat here, as you can take off 1/3 of your opponent's bar from a counter/hi-counter OH.

After BT CH/HCH or crouching opponent:

>

(L, M)

>

(L)

>

(L, M)

>

(H)

>

(H)

BT OH on normal:
Any throw, excluding TFBB.

,

and

are your guaranteed launchers from that position.

BT OH on Counter or Hi-Counter:

>

(L, M, H) is guaranteed on all characters.

>

(L, M) for more damage on open ground or for different positioning.

>

(L, M) is another one for when you have walls to your sides.

The Charged OH and the Super Launcher
The charged offensive hold, or

:[[H]]:

:[[P]]:

is your super launcher which has a total start-up of 37i, has really good range and can change the whole tide of a round for you. The launcher also has ceiling properties and can give you further guaranteed damage.

Now, without a ceiling, in any situation in open ground, your juggle starters are

(preferably guard cancel afterwards) >

on all weights. Certain unique situations like when walls are involved, you'd probably do

into

into normal air-grab depending on where the wall is, but generally you'd stick to the

follow up after the jab. That way you're guaranteed to get +100 damage for pretty much no major input requirement.

Generally, you'd want to concentrate on categorizing combos into the Alpha, lights-meds and heavy weight combos.

When you mix this with ceilings however, you end up with some pretty nasty combos.

Usually,

(whiff)

>

is your regular guaranteed extender into a launcher. Other funky stuff like

(whiff)

>

works too. Both will put you at max threshold for a guaranteed

into whatever.

Against the wall, you can simply go for

into either air throw on light and medium weight characters or the blender for heavy characters or the neutral air grab.

Experiment and see what's good for you.

setups
You'd usually want to do this after a face-down-feet-towards ground pickup as it always puts you in open stance with an opponent. That is when you can attempt this and get a limbo stun on counter-hit. You can also use this on an opponent in critical stun, because you'd either get a gut crumple stun or a limbo stun and both are pretty good, but the limbo stun is the one that's inescapable and gives you the most rewards with guaranteed launchers.

Here are some example of characters you can use your hit-throw on after the limbo stun:
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/44p-ch-236p-h-p.3351/

Wall combos
All you need to do outside of situations like

or

is to just do

, because it's easy and it does a lot of damage.

and

are special cases and

gives you almost nothing except for a

in some cases.

Now, in situations such as after

, you get a

and that's it. After

, you can either go for BT

if you feel lucky or just a simple

, which should hit 99% of the time. In 5U and 5LR, there's little point in going for BT

as the relaunch is not high enough and you can sometimes whiff followups anyway.

UncleKitchener · Feb 16, 2015

Scramble Stage Combos
Here are some combos you can do in the Scramble stage in 5U. Since the BT

relaunch is much lower, you'll have to solely rely on

as it's the only move which has the relaunching capabilities to give you combos which would cause a cliffhanger event.

These combos are done with an open stance:

>

(122 DMG) works on lights only.

>

(107 DMG) (Lights and Medium weight characters)

Below combos are :alpha: specific, which used to work on most character in DOA5, but no longer do:

> BT

>

(+110 DMG)

> BT

>

(Slightly more damage than the one above)

Power-Launcher Combos
Thanks to AiN for making a PL combo video for Bass. Check it out here:
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/bass-power-launcher-combo-video.4283/

IMO, the optimal combo for lights and medium weight characters would be PL >

>

. Against wall,

x3 >

works well too. A

is possible, but requires a well-timed

to gain enough height.

UncleKitchener · Feb 21, 2015

I'm still updating the OPs. Nothing really new in LR. I'll link anything else relevant from the 5U thread here, but I'll keep anything new in this thread.

UncleKitchener · Mar 5, 2015

OPs done. Just leaving this here as not a whole lot of things changed, but I had to change a lot of things like corrections and changes to existing moves and explanations.

PlayerOne_nk · Apr 19, 2015

Commmanda Panda · Jun 24, 2015

I know it doesn't mean much or anything at all, but I was able to reach #1 Bass Leaderboard on the 360. Not many play him or on 360 but I'm still happy with getting there. I'm still trying to get to that level of skill and familiarity with him as my main. I'll getting an X1 soon also if any of you are on there.

Just wanted to share my thoughts and progress. There's a tourney here on SoCal this Friday, so hopefully he will be making a showing during some of my matches.

UncleKitchener · Jun 24, 2015

That's good, man, more exposure for the character and power to you. Make that your confidence booster and it'll help you push yourself with this character further. Me, @Mr. Wah, @Rich Nixon and all Bass players are there to help.

charisma · Jun 27, 2015

Commmanda Panda said:
I know it doesn't mean much or anything at all, but I was able to reach #1 Bass Leaderboard on the 360. Not many play him or on 360 but I'm still happy with getting there. I'm still trying to get to that level of skill and familiarity with him as my main. I'll getting an X1 soon also if any of you are on there.

Just wanted to share my thoughts and progress. There's a tourney here on SoCal this Friday, so hopefully he will be making a showing during some of my matches.

That is great boss man! I have the #1 Bass on XB1 so lets see if you can catch me when you get your XB1.

UncleKitchener · Jul 7, 2015

I've come to conclusion that Bass really has no sure way of not having a nitaku 50/50 situation against Christie and Helena after

since he actually has to guess as much these two characters have to. On the other hand, Nyo Tengu's

after her

can shut down all options like JAK or BKO transitions and mid crushes like their

s.

I would suggest not using Bass against these two characters if you can help it. I can't really suggest on a good replacement since it's player dependent, but most other characters can have a better chance to not have to guess like this after gaining momentum.

UncleKitchener · Jul 7, 2015

Actually disregard what I said about Helena, you can still shut almost all her options down with 1p. Only exception being her 9k.

Interesting this is that after a 6h+p, she can't use her 3p immediately and it always comes out as 3_p instead, making it impossible for her to have a 12i mid in this situation.

Characters like Christie and genfu can still be a problem however but the most problematic ones is still Christie for having no hurt boxes in this situation.

UncleKitchener · Jul 11, 2015

Here's a list of interruptible JAK(

) transition moves on block:

Interruptible by either

or

:

>

/

>

/

>

/

Anything out of a charge punch within a string (ie:

:[[P]]:

/

), though you have to be expecting them and they're harder to react to.

Edit: Forgot

>

/

but that is visually too fast to react to and you pretty much have to guess and risk pressing a button. It's also not commonly used as a JAK transition on block as much as other starters.

Not Interruptible:
(

)

>

/

>

/

Generally, it's hard to react and punish these as you have to be expecting them and the best way to train yourself is to play against another player. I would recommend using

as it's your fastest mid and in terms of damage, the only thing that can outright beat it in a trade would be JAK

. Once you get used to reacting on time (which is still hard), start using

to threaten them with the

followup and start your offense.

UncleKitchener · Jul 31, 2015

After some testing I came to the conclusion that it is actually possible to put

into a nitaku situation. This was something overlooked as after a

there were situations where

would whiff on character that stay in neutral or block where you had to buffer in a dash to actually land

. This slight delay created situations where Christie could crush and go under moves like

or

which made it hard to pressure her.

The optimal response is now to simply do

right after a

a her normal hurtbox extends forward enough for her to get hit unless the player actively does a backdash.

Through testing, some of Christie's best moves were checked to see what options she has in this situation:

,

and

will be counter hit.

can still be blocked if

is guard cancelled or followed up with the second

.

The only thing she can do is a backdash into whiff punish like her

or

.

That leaves GenFu as the real offender since

will whiff and he can just

you too. On the other hand, he hasn't got any special sidestepped, so at least you can go mano e mano and bring out the big guns like

.

UncleKitchener · Aug 10, 2015

It seems that after the changes to the jump status of certain moves, Bass can no longer reliably use his

to jump over throw attempts after a ground throw. Not a major loss, but it was nice having that option in the first place.

UncleKitchener · Aug 16, 2015

@866AiN999 posted this video on Danger Zone combos:

Rich Nixon · Sep 6, 2015

Has 6k, (opponent holds) 6kp always guaranteed pickup? I don't remember it working on past versions. If not, that means Bass now has a kick option after 6k that guarantees a pickup which makes it a bit easier to condition the opponent. Lemme know if anyone else has discovered this.

Matt Ponton · Sep 6, 2015

Rich Nixon said:
Has 6k, (opponent holds) 6kp always guaranteed pickup? I don't remember it working on past versions. If not, that means Bass now has a kick option after 6k that guarantees a pickup which makes it a bit easier to condition the opponent. Lemme know if anyone else has discovered this.

I believe it's always been like that, there haven't been any changes to the move. I just didn't know it was a guaranteed pickup. This means that theoretically (and I have proven it) it can be done after a critical burst, but I don't see the value in it since you can go for a damage launcher juggle into blender instead.

Matt Ponton · Sep 15, 2015

Not really a major find, but just unique none-the-less.

So if you land a 6KP to an opponent's back (such as from 214H+P 6H+P) where the P would cause a cliff transition, should Bass do a pick-up (2H+P) before the opponent falls, he'll pick them up and push them off the ledge. This does not happen if you hit 6KP on a front-facing opponent.

Does no additional damage or gain any positional advantage but just is funny to watch. Otherwise his pick-up doesn't push someone off the ledge.

Rich Nixon · Sep 15, 2015

Mr. Wah said:
Not really a major find, but just unique none-the-less.

So if you land a 6KP to an opponent's back (such as from 214H+P 6H+P) where the P would cause a cliff transition, should Bass do a pick-up (2H+P) before the opponent falls, he'll pick them up and push them off the ledge. This does not happen if you hit 6KP on a front-facing opponent.

Does no additional damage or gain any positional advantage but just is funny to watch. Otherwise his pick-up doesn't push someone off the ledge.

Sounds funny. I'll try it out.

UncleKitchener · Sep 15, 2015

Yeah, I found that out a while ago, but I never managed to do it in a match to actually point it out. Pretty funny how a zero damage throw extention can cause a fall though.

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