DOA6 Sexualization Discussion

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It's funny because all of the franchises you've mentioned have only become more successful after making these changes. You can't blame KT for wanting to get on the winning team.

Star wars is in the decline after the Solo flop, Tomb Raider is nowhere near the cultural phenomena of the ps1 trilogy, and Mk just embraced 2d again, it wasn't making the characters ugly that brought them success. And are you really saying that removing the hero's journey and any kind of reasoning for her skill improvement was a good thing for any character?

Either way these types of changes won't help DOA. If you really think the tekken and SF elitists or the smash bro plebs who looked down on the series are actually going to take it seriously with DOAX3 is out there then you are delusional. That ship sailed a long time ago and overall its the counter system that keeps those players away
 
Star wars is in the decline after the Solo flop, Tomb Raider is nowhere near the cultural phenomena of the ps1 trilogy, and Mk just embraced 2d again, it wasn't making the characters ugly that brought them success.
Star Wars battlefront reboot is the best selling Star Wars IP in history.

Tomb Raider reboot is much more of a cultural phenomena than it has ever been since 2006, which is why we are looking at its first film in over 10 years.

Mortal Kombat embraced 2D with 9. But X is the game that brought it back to the forefront with its best sales in a long time.

Face it, the pin up female protagonist aesthetic has run its course, we are now in 2018. I'm glad, KT is getting with the times.



Something about you seems familiar... But I agree, basically they need more casual stuff like they did in that DLC pack in Ulitmate. Swimwear is subjective since as DLC, it's an option and not mandatory.

Also be careful, since I don't think the mods like DPing... Also that Kendall Jenner outfit is very cute imo :-D albeit somewhat revealing still
Familiar, Oh really?

Yeh the Jenner outfit is really revealing, but it wouldn't be character breaking for Ayane. Because I always saw her as the edgy, more tomboy-ish counterpart to Kasumi. So the outfit was to show tha u can still maintain that personality, while still giving sex or "fan service", without it being a desperate bikini just to see jiggle physics.

If you're going to do fetish wear I think it should be left for the characters that actually fit it, like Christie. And maybe Tina.
 
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Familiar, Oh really?

Yeh the Jenner outfit is really revealing, but it wouldn't be character breaking for Ayane. Because I always saw her as the edgy, more tomboy-ish counterpart to Kasumi. So the outfit was to show tha u can still maintain that personality, while still giving sex or "fan service", without it being a desperate bikini just to see jiggle physics.

If you're going to do fetish wear I think it should be left for the characters that actually fit it, like Christie. And maybe Tina.
Yeah like literally your typing pattern and the whole pic thing really reminds me of one of my friends, especially the part where you showed what you think Ayane would wear

I never saw ayane as a tomboy, I mean what tomboy would wear this as one of their primary outfits?
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Fetish wear is fine as only dlc since its optional then, and I can't speak for the fitting part since almost all of the girls have worn overtly revealing default outfits at some point so wearing something revealing isn't like foreign ground to them
 
Yeah like literally your typing pattern and the whole pic thing really reminds me of one of my friends, especially the part where you showed what you think Ayane would wear

I never saw ayane as a tomboy, I mean what tomboy would wear this as one of their primary outfits?
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Fetish wear is fine as only dlc since its optional then, and I can't speak for the fitting part since almost all of the girls have worn overtly revealing default outfits at some point so wearing something revealing isn't like foreign ground to them
Well i don't think ayane is a whole ass dyke, sure she has a feminine side but I feel like her fighting style and personality isn't too feminine. Her other primary costume also been a purple and black jumpsuit, and she doesn't have wavy long hair like most of the girls. She also defies the stereotype of young girls being boy crazy and suppresses her emotions towards hayate.

She just doesn't seem like the kind of character, to make it her priority pander to the male gaze. While Helena, Christie and Tina not only embrace but consciously indulge in their sex appeal and beauty, ayane doesn't care. So the fetishy things don't really make sense for her.
 
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I thought I'd chime in.

You can have sexy characters and costumes without it looking like a soft porn. My main issue is that so many characters where sexualised in a way tha didn't even make sense for their personality, especially Marie Rose who is basically a child, to put her in a playboy bunny outfit is pretty gross. It's the fact that every female is sexualised in the same way means that they lose their identity/uniqueness.

And even when they are desexualising it seems the characters are losing personality. The body suit Kasumi is wearing in the DOA6 reveal doesn't even suit her, it looks weird.

There was nothing wrong with her konoichi dress (which shows plenty of skin), and even the default cat suit she wears in DOA5 is awesome. So I know DOA is capable of amazing costume design, I just hope they scale back thongs and booty shorts.

And while I find ninjas fighting in swim suits really stupid, i think there is a better way to do it. Instead of to have them in nothing but bikinis, give them a hat or kimono, or jumper wrapped round the waist to give the characters some personality. Even if it's this



Subtle and sexy. It doesn't make sense for every single female to be in lingerie and bikini.

I can see ayane in this

Kasumi's DOA 6 outfit reminds of Seth Rollins from DOA. They should take a note from Naruto as the women outfits there actually look like ninjas. Anyway, I love what you're saying as someone who likes Tina and Lisa. I wish the outfits fit more of the characters than just sexual for the sake of it. That is why I find Lisa and Tina to be so stylish. I love the wrestling gear both of them get. It shows me TN watches lots of Japanese and Mexican pro wrestling.
 
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Familiar, Oh really?

Yeh the Jenner outfit is really revealing, but it wouldn't be character breaking for Ayane. Because I always saw her as the edgy, more tomboy-ish counterpart to Kasumi. So the outfit was to show tha u can still maintain that personality, while still giving sex or "fan service", without it being a desperate bikini just to see jiggle physics.

If you're going to do fetish wear I think it should be left for the characters that actually fit it, like Christie. And maybe Tina.
Huh?
Ayane embraces her femininity even harder than Kasumi does, the hell are you talking about?
She constantly has her handband fashioned with a bow in her hair, she adorns her kunais with spinning petals, her outfits constantly has her figure pretty obvious and even her casual outfits doesn't give her even a hint of acting more like one of the boys...
 
Huh?
Ayane embraces her femininity even harder than Kasumi does, the hell are you talking about?
She constantly has her handband fashioned with a bow in her hair, she adorns her kunais with spinning petals, her outfits constantly has her figure pretty obvious and even her casual outfits doesn't give her even a hint of acting more like one of the boys...
Interesting take. but I don't find the way she embraces her femininity to be sexual which is significant. I feel like Ayane's relationship to femininity is more so a quirk that contrasts her very serious no-nonsense attitude. But when I look at the cutscenes I notice, in DOA4 Christie entices her prey on a stripping pole, and kills him during a private dance. In NG3 Ayane is approached by a soldier in her bathrobe. He is distracted by her body and attempts to disrobe her, for which she immediately kills him. But she never entertained him, she never flirted or actively used her sex appeal. So I feel like it wouldn't make sense for her to pander to horny men in her costumes, its not something she ever entertains.
 

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I feel like her fighting style isn't too feminine.
I'm...kind of confused by this. Her fighting style is very girly. With lots of spinning and flips, many kicks that show off her legs, and a throw similar to Kasumi's where she wraps her legs around the opponent's head, I'd say she definitely has one of the more feminine fighting styles in the series.
 

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I'm...kind of confused by this. Her fighting style is very girly. With lots of spinning and flips, many kicks that show off her legs, and a throw similar to Kasumi's where she wraps her legs around the opponent's head, I'd say she definitely has one of the more feminine fighting styles in the series.
In fact isn't she referred to as a butterfly at one point? Her styles basic attacks aren't so overtly feminine but her more over the top attacks are definitely. The most feminine styles imo are Marie Rose, Naotora, and I would say Kasumi as well
 
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If I were in their position and wanted to alter the direction slightly because of x/y/z reasons, and people came at me with "Your game is worth nothing without the boobs", I'd have a strong urge to just say "Bye, Felicia." I'd be hella insulted. Because...really? You're going to be that shallow about it? DOA isn't a "real" fighting game? What if they want it to be a "real" fighting game? Are they not allowed? People aren't even going to give the damn thing a chance? I hate to bring out the "you were never a real fan card" but...

I'm just sick of the knee-jerk bullshit that happens on the internet all the time. The devs specifically said that it's not like they're not removing all sex appeal from the game and still people are whining about burkas and SJWs and censorship and all sorts of nonsense. Can people just wait to see more before completely writing the game off? Can people reserve judgment a tad? I know it's too much to ask of the internet. But, it's so tiring. And it's all so ridiculous that any perceived inch of clothing coverage is a loss in some stupid war against "SJWs" and any inch of skin showing is a fuck you to "SJWs". How are people just so amped up about this stuff all the time? Like, damn.
How are people just so amped up about this stuff all the time? These examples are why people are so amped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOVyVvXI9cg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrZrcC1SFPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYh8fx_R5zk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZF3urfgKTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsjWqCHPZ0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39PmoJNd0ps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJ3u7P4qqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=freehEGcFSM

https://www.dualshockers.com/steam-demanding-removal-sexual-content/

https://www.dualshockers.com/steam-crackdown-adult-content-download-portals-help/

These censorships have been going on for far too long especially in an the 2010s, what was acceptable in early years which suddenly getting more toned down Western releases. Lets just say the DOA series has its appeal that love the sex appeal element (including over top) which toning down & censoring of any kind will not make them happy. (the only exception they can handle is age & school because of different laws involving age of consent)

The stuff they like and want to spend money like sex appeal are the ones getting screwed over with all these censorship for the sake of English speaking audiences, mainly because gaming companies have the tendency to listen to the ones that complain its offensive (which wasn't a problem before), and with a lack of spine compare to 90s & 2000s. If the sex appeal crowd are not the ones complaining or voicing their opinions, someone else will which can create a bad future for the ones that love sex appeal in their products.

Another thing is when your an established franchise thats been doing these kind of stuff along with making tons of DLC years on end, but now wants to make a conscious decision to make the characters less sexualized (despite their life support was based around this) and wants to make people feel "proud of playing" (aka people from EVO17 that complained) do expect some fans not taking this too well. They're only power is complaining and not spend money (which money will effect profits). People can wait to see more, however these interviews of IGN (first article) & Famitsu are not making things better for people who don't like their new direction.

If I was in position of listen to opinions and was curious if people still had an interest with over top sex appeal, I wouldn't be going to EVO 2017 and listen to whoever said "it is embarrassing that girls are too sexy and play." and would use social media like twitter post something like this:

https://twitter.com/takaya_coucho/status/817516958685892608

Maybe encourage to show off their collection & DLC to filter outsiders, the ones that don't buy your stuff. For the members that would want something sexy (non sexualized manner) and sexual males I would still make content for them while still remaining with over top female designs. All they need to say is "Were still dedicated to ones that love sexual designs, but we'll also make some modest characters for the ones that prefer it."

I do love DOA. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t even join this forum, or play the game for 5 years. I don’t mind the girls wearing skimpy clothing and all, but the DOA community won’t grow that way. People won’t take it seriously because it’s a “titty fighter” to them. Most of the people who did join this community looks past it, but there are always some people who can’t look past it and don’t take it seriously. DOA6 might be a main stage tournament this time around because they focus more on fighting instead of fan service.

The DOAX series are made for fan service, Itagaki made that game so it caters to people like you (the perverts). I’m not calling the people who play it perverts, but most are. I personally love the X series but that’s because it’s a relaxing game that you don’t have to take seriously.

The DOA girls can be sexy without skimpy clothing, I mean look at Kokoro in her C1 she is really beautiful and sexy without wearing skimpy clothing. If tits and skimpy clothing are the only reasons you play this game and are a part of this community, then you should just leave and play some hentai games.

Also, I’m not a prude because I don’t like to see 18 year old girls in skimpy clothing in a fighting game. If I want to look at girls in skimpy clothing i’ll go to a strip club or watch porn.
Well we have different reasons why we have DOA, the stuff I mention "I don't believe you love DOA" was just Me being very critically harsh. Do we really need everyones approval including the ones that decided not to take it serious for its sex appeal? There will always be people who can't stand these content due to them not feeling embarrassed with others seeing some risqué game, besides DOA5 Core Fighters have 10 million downloads and tons of DLC all DOA needs is being a high quality game which toning stuff down isn't needed. Try to learn to love the game for what it has to offer (wear it like armor), and not care about appealing the ones who can't look past sex appeal. I used to care what others think back in eventhubs, but after following what is currently going on with the internet I would prefer others enjoy the game for what it is, and not try to appeal the people who can't take the series serious because of its content.

Sure DOA girls can be sexy without skimpy, which all DOA needs to do is offer a variety of costumes from modest to skimpy to appeal to different tastes, just continue from what DOA5LR did with DLC but with some improvements and new costumes, maybe also add customization mode.

Lets just say My interest for the DOA series started from attractive girls with Me only seeing screenshots (since I wasn't 17+ at the time not counting DOA1-3), when I saw gameplay footages I was really interested which I wound up playing DOA2 Hardcore which I enjoy the series, and the reason I became part of this community was because eventhubs barely covers DOA as much since its more of a SF & Capcom community with some mainstream fighters from both gameplay element and DLC content. Even if you want DOA community to grow telling Me to leave due to Me not liking what Shimbori said in IGN article is not how you grow a community. Besides I don't consider sex appeal as something I can just play hentai or whatever is better than a videogames it just only makes if videogames are for kids or adults who can't handle sexual content.

I didn't call you a prude because you don't like to see 18 year old skimpy girls in fighting game (which if that was the opinion, I wouldn't even call you that), it was because of that over top sex appeal doesn't belonged in fighting games. Which fighting games are videogames it'd be like saying over top sex appeal doesn't belong "insert genre" or over top gore & violence doesn't belong in videogames.

I have no idea what people are talking about when they are whining about no sexualization in the game anymore... First of all Team Ninja did not actually say that they will ban any sexualization, they just don't want it as exaggerated as before...at least at first. ;)
They didn't say anything about ban sexualization its less sexualized, check DOA6 Famitsu Interviews where he mention "It is embarrassing that girls are too sexy and play". Which is a sign of them being toned down which not everyone likes and will complain about since toning stuff down isn't nesscary, coming from an established franchise from its console releases to its DLC lineup.

It's toned down but still there.

Anybody who complains about this sort of thing is just a reactionary and not a real fan of the series.
From someone who didn't like the toned down message, I spend money from the games, DLC (including $92 Season Pass), & Tournament entrees (Like EVO & NEC). I'm not just the type of person that agrees or accept everything a developer does.
 
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I don't get why a lot of fans are blaming this on SJW culture etc etc.
Prior to DOA Xtreme, DOA was relatively tame, ESPECIALLY DOA3.
I doubt they're going to be cutting bikini outfits and the like. I think they're just trying to distance themselves from the DOA5 DLC mess, where every outfit was just fanservice. That's all. They're changing up their brand a little to make DOA6 seem more serious and not a game known solely for it's sexuality.

I honestly feel like it's the lonely, sad Otakus who are crying over it. It's not a big deal. Tina will still rack up a bikini top and jeans.
The change is NOT because of SJW call-out culture and feminism, that's a REACH. People are over-analyzing the producer's words.
 
Another thing is when your an established franchise thats been doing these kind of stuff along with making tons of DLC years on end, but now wants to make a conscious decision to make the characters less sexualized (despite their life support was based around this) and wants to make people feel "proud of playing" (aka people from EVO17 that complained) do expect some fans not taking this too well. They're only power is complaining and not spend money (which money will effect profits). People can wait to see more, however these interviews of IGN (first article) & Famitsu are not making things better for people who don't like their new direction.

If I was in position of listen to opinions and was curious if people still had an interest with over top sex appeal, I wouldn't be going to EVO 2017 and listen to whoever said "it is embarrassing that girls are too sexy and play." and would use social media like twitter post something like this:

https://twitter.com/takaya_coucho/status/817516958685892608
Well, that's the thing. If their goal was to break more into the esports scene, then yeah. They're going to go talk to the esports people.

Maybe encourage to show off their collection & DLC to filter outsiders, the ones that don't buy your stuff. For the members that would want something sexy (non sexualized manner) and sexual males I would still make content for them while still remaining with over top female designs. All they need to say is "Were still dedicated to ones that love sexual designs, but we'll also make some modest characters for the ones that prefer it."
DLC incoming. lol

There is some kind of "middle ground" somewhere. After all, there are plenty of esports games that get away with a hell of a lot. But, it will have to be in the middle, meaning that something will have to give. I think being "all or nothing" about it is unreasonable, given that one, we don't know everything they have planned, and two, it's not like everything that was in DOA4 was in DOA5 and some things in DOA5 went beyond what was in DOA4. And all the way down the line. No one was getting the exact same amount of "sexualization" in each game. Hell, I don't remember swimsuits being in DOA4 even, when they were in DOA2U. Did people freak out then? They were fine with "less" before but won't be now?

I know it's not the best comparison. But, the amount of "sexualization" has been going up and down all along and people who think themselves fans should at least realize that before trying to burn the house down.
 
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Though from general consumer/casual fan point of view, It's clear as day censorship/SJW name your pick.
You can't conflate the two. Censorship in gaming is rooted in conservatism. Which political party always has something negative to say about games when there is a mass shooting? And SJWs (if by that you mean leftists?), never even acknowledge perversion in Japanese entertainment, much less criticise it. You might want to take a second look, because this point of view is pretty delusional.

 
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Desexualisation of the game is a good thing, as it could mean some girls might have muscle definition maybe ?
Just imagine a trailer titled "The Strong Queens" revealing Tina, Lisa and Mila with abs/muscles definitions ? (and Bass of course)

And the comeback of this costume.



I'm all for TN's new direction. If only they could hire good costumes artists to make dark and mature arts.
 
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And SJWs, never even acknowledge perversion in Japanese entertainment, much less criticise it. You might want to take a second look, because this point of view is pretty delusional.
We're not talking about Japanese entertainment, we're talking about a game that is made for western audience (as well as Asia ofc).

I don't know who exactly is being delusional here.
 
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