Community Excuses To Not Play/Learn Dead or Alive.

[SoftCabbage]

Reasons that I heard so far are because:
- it has boobs and it's all about boobs so if you play doa, you play for fictional boobs and hence you're sick
- the attack hit has no impact
- it's not a real fighting game, because boobs and thus it goes back to point 1

Pretty weak and petty reasons, tbh.

 

[RiBu]

DOA5 is going on 5 years old at this point. That's ancient in modern FG terms, and most games with comparable ages have died off outside of Japan. I really would like to see a DOA6 somewhere in a year or so, but given their decision to focus on cosmetic dlc, I don't expect it. There's like 4 majors year round in the USthat have it, and it's basically a gentleman's club of people who still get top 8 from what I see lol.

With that said, Koei Tecmo has handled the game very well imo, and even with the major shifts from how Itagaki wanted the games to be, DOA5 has worked surprisingly well. Probably the most competitive version in the series, and they acted along the FG esport surge well, despite being a fringe title in the genre.

I don't really see a reason to try and play it seriously at this stage though. Nothing wrong with playing it with friends/for fun. For whenever I do get on it now, it feels stale. If a DOA6 ever does come out, I hope they try to balance pushing the competitive/fan service aspect.

The fan service stuff will always be part of the series, and people will always complain. Even when it was DOA2U people complained, and that is hilariously tame compared to DOA5. It's funny when you think of how much fan service SF5 has gone with for its female characters so far, but it's w.e. I would never let that be a reason not to enjoy a FG.

 

[THE_WORST_KOKORO]

It's funny when you think of how much fan service SF5 has gone with for its female characters so far, but it's w.e.

Just because its Street Fighter.

 

[Rikuto]

Double Standards have always been a thing when comparing DOA to any other fighter.


..... hehe. Double Standards.

 

[Argentus]

Saying DOA is a porn game or whatever is just very cliche to say about the game, a very ancient cliche. That's not really the reason people aren't trying to learn this game as a whole anymore. It's an excuse and nothing more.

Its because the community (or rather, a better, more educated portion) doesn't do anything to help bring in more new players and make it appealing. What happens is most that try to help are only helping those within, instead of within and outside the community. Most trying to help just aren't educated/informative and skilled enough at fighting games to really relate with players coming from another game(s). (Not knocking anyone, it's just the truth, because it even shows in our commentary majority of the time. Pretty much, only about 4 different people can really deliver great commentary for DOA in the States).

There isn't enough of the informed to help "everyone" and not everyone that is well informed can handle such responsibility.

It also doesn't help that majority playing this currently lack/severely lack the learning and competitive mindset. And can only see black and white.

The real issue, as I see it, is that before doa5 Ultimate, the "porn game" thing was totally undeserved because other fighters were more sexualized than DOA could ever have hoped to be, aside from the boob jiggle easter egg.

But come all the fetish dlc and hyper sexualized dlc girls as of DOA5 last round, and its basically impossible to defend DOA on that front anymore...

One thing I find really dumb about the old fanservice excuse is that back in the Itagaki days, DOA actually had very little fanservice. For some reason he and/or TK/TN decided to largely promote the game with fanservice, yet almost nothing in the game actually offered that. You had very few, tame outfits (like a basic swimsuit or something that just shows off some leg or cleavage) and then a brief CG scene or two that shows off some conveniently censored nudity.

Basically the game didn't really even have any notable fanservice, yet it was promoted largely on that and created a bad image. People shunned it for something that wasn't even there. Nowadays though, there actually is a ton fanservice in the game with the inclusion of gravure videos, loads of smutty swimsuits and tons of other ecchi costumes, even including destructible outfits now.

EXACTLY.




Also a big turn off for most people is because DOA is like 90% fundamentals, whereas people are used to simply being able to learn autocombos in most other fighters nowadays, and they really don't like the Hold system for similar reasons.



Personally I've kinda dropped out of doa. I love it, but a) I can't find anybody local who'd want to play it in real life. Local areas just want to play MK and capcom fighters, and online i have two issues. 1) I'm at a weird spot skill wise where I either destroy or just get destroyed, so I never actually have good matches anymore, and 2) I'm so sick of PSN randomly disconnecting matches all the time. Well there's also the third reason that i've just been busy with other games, but still.



Honestly I think they need to bring back that itagaki flair. a lot of what drew people in with the earlier entries was the sheer style of DOA, which was all but lost in 5. I don't mean mechanics, but content and aesthetics.

 

[Zack117]

People not liking the fan service? Well, the thing is that many players during the development of DOA5 were actually complaining about the lack of fan service that it initially had in the first place. Another thing to realize is that DOA is not the only fighting game that has sexualized content. That's pretty much any other competitive and/or popular fighting game.

Other excuses may have something to do with the learning curve of DOA (despite the in-game tutorials and youtube game play videos floating everywhere)...

EDIT:

In retrospect, I am not entirely sure what the real excuse is, other than just the ignorant/misinformed opinions on the game cycling about. Or, the fact that people simply just don't like the game... Considering what the game has to offer (which is a lot). Even better is that I got a few of my coworkers from Germany interested in actively playing DOA and they were mostly SF players.

May I ask what town you're from? I have given up on finding people for offline play in my region long ago and if there's a chance I'll bluntly ask.

 

[GreatDarkHero]

May I ask what town you're from? I have given up on finding people for offline play in my region long ago and if there's a chance I'll bluntly ask.

There was a scene in Kaiserslautern and within Frankfurt. You can also try to communicate through Hardedge to see what is going around in Germany (or around Europe in general). For anything KOF-related you can see what Gunsmith ON (Orochinagi) has to offer.

 

[Zack117]

There was a scene in Kaiserslautern and within Frankfurt. You can also try to communicate through Hardedge to see what is going around in Germany (or around Europe in general). For anything KOF-related you can see what Gunsmith ON (Orochinagi) has to offer.

DOA scenes here in Germany? That's a new one on me. Have you got any contact details for me? Maybe of some kind of 'leadership'?
The HardEdge forums have been my only lookout in the past regarding DOA in my country. Unfortunately anything DOA related seems dead over there. Only a small side tournament took place last year which was part of some bigger FG event in Munich.

 

[GreatDarkHero]

There were also a small event in Ramstein, Germany though it was on base through the Boss Program or something along those lines if I recall. Orochinagi is also good aboit following games outside of KOF.

 

[Matt Ponton]

One day I'll return to my birthplace of Frankfurt. One day...

 

[bluecloud]

The game runs well online when there is no lag. It looks and feels great.

But it's appallingly bad when it comes to character balance. You have characters with almost no, if not, no bad match ups and more favorable. Vs characters who are mostly even or have more bad match ups than even match ups. Hyabusa/ayane vs Bass/Marie Rose is a perfect example of this. I don't think there is any justifying this.

 

[KasumiLover]

The game runs well online when there is no lag. It looks and feels great.

But it's appallingly bad when it comes to character balance. You have characters with almost no, if not, no bad match ups and more favorable. Vs characters who are mostly even or have more bad match ups than even match ups. Hyabusa/ayane vs Bass/Marie Rose is a perfect example of this. I don't think there is any justifying this.

Woah there, the characters are balanced fine, everyone has bad match ups. It's the player not the character, anyone can win.

 

[bluecloud]

Woah there, the characters are balanced fine, everyone has bad match ups. It's the player not the character, anyone can win.

I am going to have to disagree with this entirely.

Bass, MR, Eliot, and nyu have been bottom barrel characters for a long time now.

Don't get me wrong. I love the game and that's why I am saying what I think is an issue. But as for that fan service wall people keep mentioning. Maybe the game would benefit from less of it.

 

[KasumiLover]

I am going to have to disagree with this entirely.

Bass, MR, Eliot, and nyu have been bottom barrel characters for a long time now.

Don't get me wrong. I love the game and that's why I am saying what I think is an issue. But as for that fan service wall people keep mentioning. Maybe the game would benefit from less of it.

Eliot has won a tournament tho, and they're not bottom barrel. Bass is a tank grappler who relies on throws and good reads for damage but the game's system doesn't exactly make it easy for his style to triumph since it's more suited for faster styles. Nyo is the same way too, but she's more a zoner and spacer as well as slow. Marie Rose is average in speed and is defensive which is why she has expert holds and Eliot is good too, he's just a linear character and average in speed.

Any character can win, even the worst characters, you shouldn't let your character's limitations automatically make you deem them bottom barrel. And all games have fan service, DOA is just blunt and honest about it.

 

[The Spine]

I'm surprised this thread is still active. It's a very simple answer: some people just don't want to play the game. There doesn't have to be a specific reason (there isn't), they just won't play it.

 

[Azarino]

I'm extremely guilty of believing I was good enough to avoid learning any other techniques and to avoid playing with people who didn't play like me.

I've now learnt that it's a game and that every match is either skill based or luck. There is no in between, well... in my opinion anyway.

 

[bluecloud]

Eliot has won a tournament tho, and they're not bottom barrel. Bass is a tank grappler who relies on throws and good reads for damage but the game's system doesn't exactly make it easy for his style to triumph since it's more suited for faster styles. Nyo is the same way too, but she's more a zoner and spacer as well as slow. Marie Rose is average in speed and is defensive which is why she has expert holds and Eliot is good too, he's just a linear character and average in speed.

Any character can win, even the worst characters, you shouldn't let your character's limitations automatically make you deem them bottom barrel. And all games have fan service, DOA is just blunt and honest about it.

Find me a tier not done by team ninja that doesn't put the characters I just mentioned in C or lower. You won't find it.

Also your pic pretty much says it all why you think the fan service isn't an issue. This is just fan boying at it's finest lol.

Let's go back to my original point about the state of balance. Here is one tier that I think gives a pretty good idea where the characters stand. I'm sure someone else here could link a few.

https://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/doa5/

 

[KasumiLover]

Find me a tier not done by team ninja that doesn't put the characters I just mentioned in C or lower. You won't find it.

Also your pic pretty much says it all why you think the fan service isn't an issue. This is just fan boying at it's finest lol.

Let's go back to my original point about the state of balance. Here is one tier that I think gives a pretty good idea where the characters stand. I'm sure someone else here could link a few.

https://www.eventhubs.com/tiers/doa5/

Eventhubs tier list is a joke, LOL, they don't know shit about DOA balancing. XD And whatever, I love Kasumi both for her looks and her gameplay, nothing wrong with that, players from different games do the same thing.

Hayabusa is definitely not the best character in the game and akira is nowhere near bottom. Marie rose is about mid to lower mid tier and Eliot and Phase 4 are actually the ones who should be bottom. Mai has yet to even be placed accurately on a tier list but she's supposed to be high tier, she has one of the best move sets and tools in the roster.

 

[bluecloud]

Eventhubs tier list is a joke, LOL, they don't know shit about DOA balancing. XD And whatever, I love Kasumi both for her looks and her gameplay, nothing wrong with that, players from different games do the same thing.

Hayabusa is definitely not the best character in the game and akira is nowhere near bottom. Marie rose is about mid to lower mid tier and Eliot and Phase 4 are actually the ones who should be bottom. Mai has yet to even be placed accurately on a tier list but she's supposed to be high tier, she has one of the best move sets and tools in the roster.

Well this is why I asked that you provide a tier to back the claims you are making like I did.

 

[KasumiLover]

Well this is why I asked that you provide a tier to back the claims you are making like I did.

With pleasure, this is the official tier list:
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/the-official-tier-list-with-discussion-thread.3817/