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System "No Timing" Power Launcher Combo Guide

Darth Lotonic X

Darth Lotonic X

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No Timing Power Launcher Combo Guide

Contents:
I: What is a "No Timing" Power Launcher Combo?
II: Power Blow vs. Power Launcher
III: Format of Combos
IV: Characters
V: Credits


I: What is a "No Timing" Power Launcher Combo?

A "No Timing" Power Launcher combo is where you whiff an input immediately after the PL to compensate for the ridiculous launch height. You then follow up the whiffed input with the actual juggle. This removes the entire timing aspect of the juggle leaving much less margin for error. A lot of these combos do less damage than a timed combo, but are much more practical and will still do more damage than a power blow after a CB.

II: Power Blow vs. Power Launcher

A PL Combo will always do more damage than a PB blow if the PL combo does over 100 damage on NH. Here is a scale for the damage that it needs to reach to beat a PB at each hit level.

Normal Hit: 100
Counter Hit: 105
Hi-Counter Hit: 110

PL's always set the damage revision to 50% (CH juggle damage) so except for one character all you need to do is add 10, and 20 to NH damage for CH and HCH damage respectively

If me or anyone assisting with the compiling of this guide couldn't find a no timing combo that reaches any of these damage levels (or 90 on NH), it will not even be listed in the guide.

III: Format of Combos:

Combos follow this format:

Character:

No Wall: Combos that require completely open space for them to work:
Weight Class: (Whiffed Input) Juggle (Damage on NH)

Anywhere: Combos that work in any environment excluding ceilings and slopes.
Weight Class: (Whiffed Input) Juggle (Damage on NH)

Wall: Combos that won't hit walls, but don''t necessarily require them (I will note if walls are required).
Weight Class: (Whiffed Input) Juggle (Damage on NH without wall damage)

The anywhere section will only be there if none of the combos hit wall.

Weight Classes are divided into this:
Alpha: Tested on Alpha
Light: Tested on Ayane
Middle: Tested on Hayate
Gen Fu: Tested on Gen Fu
Heavy: Tested on Bass

For more info on Weight Classes go to this Thread:
Assume this for my guide:
Alpha: Feather
Light: Super Light-Welter
Mid: Middle-Cruiser
Gen Fu: Heavy
Heavy: Super Heavy

If Gen Fu is not listed, it means that the Middleweight combo works on him.

IV: Characters:

Every link here goes to my posts in the relevant threads. Put any character specific discussion there. Any general discusion about PL's or my guide are welcome here.

Kasumi
Brad Wong
Mila
Helena
Kokoro
Bayman
Christie
Rig
Jann Lee
Zack
Ayane
Hayabusa
Eilot
Tina
Lisa
Akira
Alpha-152
Sarah
Bass
Lei Fang
Hitomi
Hayate
Momiji
Gen Fu
Pai
Leon
Jacky
Ein
Rachel

Here is a giant quote with all the character's combos in it.

Unless specified otherwise, assume the next input after a stance transition is in that stance.

Kasumi:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:P:) :6::K:, :K::K::7::K::6::P+K:, :9::P::K::6::P+K:, :K::K: (106)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :7::K::6::P+K:, :K:, :P::P::K::K: (102)
Heavy: (:H+P: or :4::h:) :K::K::7::K::6::P+K:, :9::P::K::6::P+K:, :K::K: (96)

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:4::h:) :3::3::P:, :2::P:, :3::3::P:, :4::P::K::K: (100)
Light/Middle: (:2::H+P:) :3::3::P:, :2::P:, :P::K::K::K:(92)

Brad Wong:

Anywhere:
Alpha: (:4::H+P:) :3::K:, :4::6::P::6::P::6::P::P::P: (102)
Everyone Else: (:2::P:) :4::6::P::6::P::6::P::6::P::P::P: (99)

Mila:

No Wall:
Alpha: :3::3::[[p+k>]::P:, :6::P:, :P+K:, :2::H+P:, :P::P::P: (142)
Everyone Else: :3::3::[[p+k>]::6::P: , :P+K:, :2::H+P:, :P::P::P: (138)

Wall: Not Required
Alpha: (:P:) :9::K:, :P::6::P:, :P::P::6::P::6::P: (100)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :9::K:, :P::6::P::P:, :P::6::P::6::P: (100)
Heavy: (:P:) :4::P:, :P::6::P::P:, :P::6::P::6::P: (98)

Helena:

No Wall:
Alpha-Middle: (:4::4:/:2::P+K::h:) :6::6::H+K:, :6::6::P:, :4::4::P+K:(Uncharged), :3::3::P::4::P: (110)
Heavy: (:4::4:/:2::P+K::h:) :6::6::H+K:, :6::6::P:, :3::3::P:, :3::3::P::4::P:(100)

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:P:) :6::6::H+K:, :P+K:, :4::P+K:, :4::P::P::P: (105)
Everyone Else: (:4::4:/:2::P+K::h:) :6::6::H+K:, :P+K:, :4::P+K:, :4::P::P::P:(105)

Kokoro:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:H+P:) :K:, :K:, :K:, :P::2::K::P: (109)
Light/Middle: (:H+P:) :K:, :K:, :9::P:, :P::2::K::P: (101)
Heavy: (:H+P:) :K:, :K:, :P::2::K::P: (95)

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:P:) :9::K:, :9::P:, :9::P:, :6::P::P::P: (95)

Bayman:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:2:/:8::P+K:) WR:K:, :3::3::P:, :3::K:, :2::H+P:, :2::2::H+P: (114)
Everyone Else: (:2:/:8:) WR:K:, :3::K::3::P+K::H+P: (103)

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:1::h:) WR:K:, :4::P::6::K:, :6::P::P::K: (103)
Light/Middle: (:1::h:) WR:K:, :4::P::6::K:, :P::6::P::K: (99)
Heavy: (:1::h:) WR:K:, :3::3::P:, :P::6::P::K: (92)

Christie:

No Wall:
Alpha/Light: :214::[[p+k>]::K:, :P::K::K::2::K: (115)
Middle: :214::[[p+k>]::K:, :K::K::2::K: (112)
Heavy: :214::[[p+k>]::K:, :P::K::K::K: (107)
^These may whiff on certain characters, and just don't work on others. It seems stance related, but I was unable to confirm exactly what the issue was. The only reason that they are here is because they do more damage than the others below.

More consistent juggles:
Alpha: (:P:) :7::P:, :4::H+K:, :P+K:, :P::K::K::2::K: (111)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :7::P:, :H+K::K:, :P::K::K::2::K: (108)
Heavy: (:P:) :7::P:, :H+K::K:, :K::K::2::K: (105)

Wall: Required for :3::P::P::P:
Alpha: (:P:) :7::P:, :7::P:, :6::K:, :3::P::P::P: (107)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :7::P:, :H+K::K:, :3::P::P::P: (104)
Heavy: (:P:) :7::P:, :H+K::K:, :6::K::P: (95)

Rig:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:4::P+K:) :4::H+K:, :K::K::4:, :6::K:, :P::P::2::K::K: (117)
Light/Middle: (:4::P+K:) :4::H+K:, :4::K::K:, :6::H+K::K: (110)
Heavy: (:4::P+K:) :K::K::4::K::K::K: (101)

Wall: Required
Alpha-Mddle: (:4::h:) :4::K::K:, :6::H+K:, :K::K::6::K: (95)
Gen Fu/Heavy: (:4::h:) :4::K::K:, :K::K:, :K::K::6::K:(93)

Jann Lee:

:8::P: whiffs on Jann Lee,and Zack. It sometimes whiffs on Bass. I have supplied separate combos for those characters.

No Wall:

Alpha: (:P:) :8::P:, :6::H+K:, :6::H+K:, :P::P::P::6::P: (119)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :8::P:, :6::H+K::4:, :K:, :P::P::P::6::P: (116)
Jann Lee/Zack: (:P:) :3::P:, :6::H+K::4:, :K:, :P::P::P::6::P: (114)
Heavy: (:P:) :8::P:, :6::H+K:, :P::P::P::6::P: (104)
Bass: (:P:) :9::P:, :6::H+K:, :P::P::P::6::P: (100)

Wall: Not Required
Alpha: (:P:) :8::P:, :3::P:, :P::P::4::P::P: (101)
Light-Heavy: (:P:) :8::P:, :8::P:, :P::P::P::6::P: (101)
Jann Lee/Zack: (:P:) :3::P:, :8::P:, :P::P::P::6::P: (99)
Bass: (:P:) :3::P:, :9::P:, :P::P::P::6::P: (95)

Zack:

No Wall:
Alpha/Light: (:P:) :9::K:, :9::K:, :7::P::4:, :P::P::P::K: (116)
Middle: (:P:) :9::K:, :9::K:, :7::P::4:, :P::P::6::K::K: (109)
Heavy: (:P:) :9::K:, :7::P::4:, :P::P::P::K: (103)

Wall: Required for Alpha
Alpha: (:P:) :7::P::4:, :2: :P::P::4:, :P::P::P::K: (106)
Alpha-Middle: (:4::h:) :6::K:, :7::P::4:, :P::P::P::K: (102)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :6::K:, :7::P::4:, :P::P::6::K::K: (97)

Ayane:

No wall:
Alpha-Middle: :4::4::[[p+k>]::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::7::K: (112)
^Doesn't always work.
Alpha: (:1::P+K:) :4::K:, :6::P:, :6::6::K::K::4:, :6::H+K: (104)
Light: (:2::H+P:) :8::K::K:, :6::P:, :P+K::P::7::K: (98)
Middle: (:2::H+P:) :8::K::K:, :6::P:, :4::P::K: (No Delay) (96)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :8::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::7::K: (92)

Wall: Not Required
Alpha: (:H+P:) :6::K:, :8::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::7::K:(102)
Everyone Else: (:4::h:) :8::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::7::K: (92)

Hayabusa:

Anywhere:
Everyone: (:2::P+K:) :P+K::P::P::4862::H+P:

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:1::h:) WR:4::K:, WR:4::K:, WR:4::K:, WR:4::K::P: (108)
^Not at all worth doing because it's super inconsistent, but it's there.

Eliot:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:H+P:) :8::P:, :2::P+K::P+K:, :3::P::P::P::4::6::P: (108)
Light/Middle: (:2::H+P:) :8::P:, :2::P+K::P+K:, :3::P::P::P::K: (106)
Heavy: (:H+P:) :8::P:, :2::P+K::P+K:, :6::P::P::K: (97)

Wall:
These aren't "no timing" combos, but I've found that if you do are Jab beforehand it makes the timing much easier.
Alpha-Med: (:P:) :3_::P:x3, :3::P::P::P::K: (103)
Heavy: (:P:) :3_::P:x2, :3::P::P::P::K: (95)

Tina:

No Wall:
Alpha-Middle: (:P:) :9::K:, :9::P::K:, :426::H+P: (112)
Heavy: (:3::P+K:) :7::K:, :7::K:, :7::K:, :4::P::P: (105)
^This combo works everywhere, but doesn't work on Bayman or Leon for some reason.
Leon/Bayman: (:P:) :9::K:, :9::P::K:, :H+P: (102)

Wall: Not required
Alpha: (:P:) :9::K:, :9::P:, :6::6::P::P::K:(102)
Light/Middle: (:2::P:) :6::P::P::6::K:, :426::H+P:(101)
Heavy: (:3::P+K:) :7::K:, :7::K:, :4::H+P:(105)
^This is a variant of the heavy combo above that can give wall splat, but it kind of hard to do. Still doesn't work on Bayman or Leon.

Lisa:

No Wall:
Alpha-Middle: (:4::h:) :6::P::8::K:, :4::P::K:, :H+P: (112)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :6::P::8::K:, :6::K:, :H+P: (104)

Wall:
Alpha: (:4::h:) :4::P::K:, :4::P::K:, :4::P::K::K: (109)
^A little timing in this combo, but a pure "no timing" combo would sacrifice a lot of damage.
Light/Middle: (:4::h:) :4::P::K:, :4::P::K:, :6::K::K: (101)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :4::P::K:, :4::P::K:, :4::H+K: (98)

Akira:

Anywhere:
Knee Combos
Alpha: (:P:) :6::6::K:, :H*+K:, :H*+K:, :3::H+K::P::4::6::6::P+K:(111)
Heavy: (:P:) :6::6::K:, :H*+K:, :3::H+K::P::4::6::6::P+K: (99)

Non-Knee:
Alpha-Middle: (:P:) :6::6::K:, :6::K::P:, :3::H+K::P::4::6::6::P+K: (106)
Heavy: (P) :6::6::K:, :6::K::P:, :2::P:, :2_::4::6::P: (98)

Alpha:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:4::h:) :3::3::K::K:, :K:, :K::K::7::K: (125)
Light/Middle: (:4::h:) :3::3::K::K:, :P:, :7::K:116)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :8::K::K:, :K::K::K::K::7::K: (113)

Wall: Required
Everyone: (:4::h:) :8::K:, :P::K::K::K::K::7::K: (111)

Sarah:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:P:) :3::3::H+K:, :9::H+K::P:, :4::P::K::K::4::K:, :K: (105/110)
^Sometimes the second :K: of :4::P::K::K::4::K: whiffs.
Light: (:4::4::P:) :4::P:, :3::P::K:, :P:, :4::H+K:, :6::6::H+K:(:6::K::K:) (102(97)))
Middle/Heavy: (:P:) :3::3::H+K:, :9::H+K::P:, :4::H+K:, :6::6::H+K:(:6::K::K:) (99(94))
:6::6::H+K: is known to miss after :4::H+K: on occasion.

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:2::P:) :3::3::H+K:x3, :3::3::H+K::K::h:, :3::P::K:, :7::K: (115)
Light: (:2::H+P:) :3::3::H+K:x3, :3::3::H+K::K::h:, :P:, :3::K::K: (111)
Middle: (:2::H+P:) :3::3::H+K:x3, :3::3::H+K::K::h::H+P:, :P:, :7::K: (107)
Heavy: (:2::H+P:) :3::3::H+K:, :3::3::H+K::K::h:, :3::P::K:, :P:, :3::K::K: (104)

For :3::K::K:, you have to buffer the :3: input or you will get her down attack.

Bass:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:P:) :8::K:, :8::K:, :3::P:, :3::P+K::H+P: (125)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :8::K:, :3::P:, :3::P+K::H+P: (111)
Heavy: (:P:) :8::K:, :4::P::P:, :H+P: (103)

No Wall Ending with :6::K::P::
Alpha-Middle: (:P:) :8::K:, :8::K:, :3::P:, :6::K::P: (105)
Heavy: (:P:) :8::K:, :8::K:, :6::K::P: (95)

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:P:) :3::P:x3, :9::P::K::P: (109)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :3::P:, :4::P::P:, :426::H+P::5::H+P: (108)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :4::P::P:, :426::H+P::5::H+P: (98)

Lei Fang:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:6::H+P:) :6::K:, :6::K:, :6::K:, :3::P::P::6::P::P: (109)
Light: (:6::H+P:) :6::K:, :9::K::K:, :3::P::P::6::P::P: (104)
Middle: (:6::H+P:) :9::K::K:, :6::K:, :3::P::P::6::P::P: (104)
Heavy: (:6::H+P:) :6::K:, :9::K::K:, :9::K::K::K: (100)

Wall: Not Required
Alpha: (:6::H+P:) :9::K::K:, :9::K::K:, :P::P::6::P::P: (108)
Light/Middle: (:6::H+P:) :9::K::K:, :9::K::K: (:4::6::P:) (98)
Heavy: (:6::H+P:) :9::K::K:, :9::K::K:, :4::6::P: (98)

Supposedly there is an issue with :9::K::K: whiffing when it's the first connecting move, but I haven't had any problems with it.

Hitomi:

No Wall:
Middle: :4::K::K:, :4::K::K:, :6::6::K::K::K: (103)

Wall: Not required
Alpha: (:P:) :3::3::P:, :4::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::P: (113)
Light: (:P:) :9::K:, :4::K::K:, :P::P::6::P::K: (105)
Middle: (:H+P:) :4::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::P: (100)
Heavy: (:H+P:) :4::K::K:, :P::P::4::P::P::P: (101)

Hayate:

No Wall:
Alpha: :6::P::4::K:, :K:, :3_::P::P:, :3::3::K::K: (106)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :4::K::6::K:, :6::6::K::K::K: (100)
Heavy: (:P:) :4::K::6::K:, :P::P::K::K: (94)

Wall:
Alpha/Light: (:P:) :4::K::6::K:, :8::P:, :P::P::6::P::K: (104)
Middle/Heavy: (:P:) :4::K::6::K:, :P::P::6::P::K: (93)

Momiji:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:P:) :7::K:, :6::6::K:, :6::P::K::K:, :P: (115)
Light: (:P:) :7::K:, :6::6::P::P:, :3::P::4::P::P: (109)
^Gives Wall Splat
Light: (:P:) :7::K:, :8::P:, :6::P::K::K:, :P: (109)
Middle/Heavy: (:P:) :7::K:, :3::P::4::P:, :3::P::4::P::P: (104)

Wall: Required
Alpha: (:4::h:) :3::K::P::8:, :P::P:, :3::P::4::P::P: (101)
Light: (:H+P:) :P::P::6::P:, :6::P+K:, :3::P::4::P::P: (99)
Middle/Heavy: (:P:) :8::K:, :3::P::4::P:, :3::P::4::P::P: (96)

Gen Fu:

Anywhere:
Alpha: :6::P::P:, :8::P:, :6_::K:, :2::P+K::4::6::P: (95)
Light/Middle: :6::P::P:, :8::P:, :6::P::P::P+K: (94)

You can follow up after the second relaunch with :H+P: for the blender.

Pai:

:4::6::H+K: resets the damage scaling for some reason, so combos with that move don’t follow the 40/50/60 power launcher rules. Damage values reflect this with (NH) (CH) (HCH).

No Wall:
Alpha: (:6_::P:) :3::H+K:, :3::H+K:, :6::4::P:, :4::6::H+K:, :9::K:, :P:, :P:, :3::3::P::K: (109) (128) (144)
Light/Middle: (:6_::P:) :3::H+K:, :3::H+K:, :P:, :4::6::H+K:, :6::4::P:, :P:, :P:, :3::3::P::K: (106) (125) (141)
Heavy: (:6_::P:) :3::H+K:, :6::4::P:, :P:, :4::6::H+K:, :P:, :P:, :P:, :3::3::P::K: (101) (118) (134)

Wall:
Alpha: (:P:) :3::H+K:x3, :P::P::K::K: (104)
Light: (:P:) :3::H+K:, :3::H+K:, :P:, :P:, :P::P::K::K: (102)
Middle/Heavy: (:P:) :3::H+K:, :3::H+K:, :P:, :P::P::K::K: (97)

Leon:

No Wall:
Alpha-Middle: (:3::P:) :3::P:, :6::6::P::P:, :H+P: (105)
Heavy: (:3::P:) :3::P:, :3::P:, :H+P: (95)
The first connecting :3::P: whiffs when hugging the Wall:

Wall: Required
Alpha/Light: (:H+P:) :6::P::P::K:, :H+P: (103)
Middle: (:2::P:) :3::P:, :3::P:, :H+P: (95)

Jacky:

No Wall:
Everyone(FSK): (:6::h:) :6_::K::5::h:x3, :4::H+K:, :4::H+K:, :1::P+K::P::P: (114)
Everyone (No FSK): (:4::h:) :4::H+K:, :4::H+K:, :K::P::P::P::K: (98)

Wall: Required
Alpha-Middle(FSK): :6_::K::5::h:, :6_::K::5::h:, :P+K::P:, :7::K: (98)
Alpha(No FSK): (:4::h:) :4::K:, :4::K::K:, :P::P::6::P::K: (94)
Easier than combo below.
Light-Heavy(No FSK): (:2::H+P:) :4::K::K:, :P:, :P:, :P::P::6::P::K: (94)

Ein:

No Wall:
Alpha: (:P:) :K:, :3::K::K:, :6::K::K: (100)

Wall: Not required
Alpha: (:P:) :9::K:, :3::P:, :3::P:, :6::K::K: (98)
Light/Middle: (:P:) :9::K:, :3::P:, :P::P::6::P::K: (95)
Heavy: (:4::h:) :3::P:, :3::P:, :P::P::6::P::K: (93)

Rachel:

No wall:
Alpha: (:2::P:) :6::P::P:, :9::P:, :H+P:, :6::P::K::P: (118)
Light: (:2:/:8::P+K:) :3::P:, :9::P:, :9::P:, :H+P:, :6::P::K::P: (116)
Middle/Heavy: (:4::h:) :4::P::P::P:, :H+P:, :6::P::K::P: (112)

Wall: Not Required
Alpha: (:4::h:) :7::P:, :6::P::P:, :H+P:, :6::P::K::P: (118)
Light/Middle: (:4::h:) :3::P:, :3::P::P:, :H+P:, :6::P::K::P: (113)
Heavy: (:2::P:) :6::P::P:, :H+P:, :6::P::K::P: (107)
Click to expand...

V: Credits

All combos were Tested by myself.

FFKOTOR assisted with Most characters.
Hajin assisted vicariously with Sarah.
Mechwarrior assisted with Lisa.
Juan The Man posted the universal Hayabusa juggle a while back.
 
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QueenJakheiho

QueenJakheiho

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Lets take Hayate quick, i was posting them on in the Hayate Topic also:

Against lights:
33p+k charge - 44kk - (3)pp - pp6pk - 111 damage
Against mid/heavys
33p+k charge - 44kk - 66kkk - 100 damage(same as the powerblow)

I will be honest this PL Guide makes only sense with Combos that makes more damage as the powerblow.
You should do every Combo with a neutral setup + Burst + PL/PB to see how much is the difference otherwise is this guide useless.
Look:
9p 3pp 7p(burst) - powerblow - 136 damage
9p 3pp 7p - powerlauncher - 44k - 66kkk - 136 damage.
 
FakeSypha

FakeSypha

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Good stuff, man! This will probably make me consider start using the PL again. I was mostly using it with Rachel with a similar combo whiffing a 2P
 
Nereus

Nereus

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By the way fellas/ladies, i posted a PL combo for Jacky that also makes the timing almost non-existant in his forums.
 
Blacka Blocka Flocka

Blacka Blocka Flocka

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Thanks for taking the time out of your day to find and post all these juggles Darth Lotonic X. However, (insert remark intended to take credit away from darth lotonic x here)
 
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