Level or not, a bikini is a bikini, there's no sugarcoating stuff like that. What's more is that Cammy originally had nipple bumps in her default, and her ass is completely out in it as well. R Mikas outfit is sexualized extremely and she originally slapped her ass in plain view in her ultra move complete with jiggle, and the female alternate outfit DLCs and costumes are also very revealing, almost if not on par to what DOA hasSorry, not on this level
Or this:
And let's not forget a spinoff game based purely on fanservice, with photoshoot mode that allows you to peek at the non existant intimate parts of the woman, with VR features and where the characters are oddly out of character being extremely submissive to the will of the player's character...
Don't get me wrong, sexy stuff turns me on like anywhere else, but i think, that TN sells it too much, not that they do it that much, but they try to sell as their main thing. But i do think that some stuff should be toned down
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There is, but i wanted to put specific examples of DOA5LR, i know there is worse stuff in the game though, just had a fast google search.I've seen far more revealing
In general if DOA isn't widely accepted then let it be so. Whether a game is widely accepted or not has never driven me wanting to play to it
Tekken 5 had ass and boob physics so that kind of set the bar where my tolerance level was at
My problem with that is when they break out of character to do that.
Point A: Pole dancing.
I can see Tina doing that, i can see Christie doing that, Hitomi, or Lisa even...
But tell me, would Kasumi even know how to pole dance? she was raised in a japanese hidden ninja village, she has that culture on her, and she only got like, 2 years on the outside world, she never shown to have any kind of affection towards parties or dancing. That is my problem with that kind of fanservice, is not much by the fanservice in itself, but how it is presented.
Putting my cents, you can't compare games like Tekken or SF since those happen to "just be there" for sexual appeal but not a huge factor on what made those game popular. SF and Tekken have a bikini yeah but it wasn't a huge contribution on what made those games do well.
I think DOA is a fantastic game, however just because SF or Tekken has a pack or customization for a bikini doesn't mean it's what made those games score a big hit. That isn't a good reason since it's just looking at a phase to play victim or something. I truly believe DOA deserves way more credit, but there are reasons why those games make it far. They have a huge crowd who focus on the overall content of the game than just portions of cosmetics etc.
My problem with that is when they break out of character to do that.
Point A: Pole dancing.
I can see Tina doing that, i can see Christie doing that, Hitomi, or Lisa even...
But tell me, would Kasumi even know how to pole dance? she was raised in a japanese hidden ninja village, she has that culture on her, and she only got like, 2 years on the outside world, she never shown to have any kind of affection towards parties or dancing. That is my problem with that kind of fanservice, is not much by the fanservice in itself, but how it is presented.
And i think that is the big point of difference between DOA and other fighting game franchises.
Take Street Fighter.
R.Mika is a wrestler, wrestlers go over the top with their outfits, sexyness (female wrestlers), and body musculature.
Laura is brazilian, and that kind of way to wear is kind of common if you go to some beaches around here (i live far from those areas, but i've been there, i can confirm).
Chun Li had shown from time to time to be into partying, not only that, but doing a lot of disguised work using revealing clothes.
I think the "hate" towards DOA fanservice comes from that, i feel a bit that way to be honest.
You know this super serious ninja girl that suffered discrimination, and has murdered countless numbers of highly trained soldires of doatec? Sure, all she would do to someone peeking at her butt would say: "nah, don't look at me" doing a high pitched scream like some schoolgirl?
Fanservice is fine, and is good, i like sexy girls, but some consistency on character is great, and can make fanservice even better.
However people want the game to be accepted. Showing the same thing over and over again is just looping the situation in playing a song on repeat. People here expect DOA to top millions over Street Fighter when you have TN making side games like DOAX3 that can actually do more harm than good. Course people would defend it simply because they are not interested in a fighting game. Are they wrong for this? probably not, they like the game so their tastes overcomes everything else because it's what they like and what pleases them only.
But again, those physics are not what made Tekken popular. I still do not see how people decide to create this situation on playing victim to something that Tekken doesn't truly focus on. If Street Fighter was like DOA where it strictly focused on that content and Street Fighter somehow gets more praise from people than DOA, then I might of agreed with you.
When you look at game articles for Street Fighter or Tekken, you will barely see spot on mentions about it's sex appeal. Instead majority or it will either talk about the graphics, story, or gameplay comparisons from the ones before it. When you read DOA articles just about almost all of them mentions the game's sexual appeal (usually wrong descriptions of it) first before anything else (sometimes unimportant description like mentioning Helena showing the small crack of her booty, like really? that's important for an article? lolol), as well having those word descriptions giving people the wrong idea that makes it seem like it's a porn game, little do they know that DOA is actually a promising fun game but such description causes people to look past it without even checking out the gameplay at the very least. Just typing DOA in google will have the first few pages on Zack Island with a bikini or a thumbnail of a youtuber who makes those Ryona videos, yet hardly explains DOA for it's beautiful environment and immersive action.
I think sex appeal and details is very important in a fighter because who in the world wants to play crazy looking odd shit lol, but it's the portrayal of the game where they managed to create this impenetrable barrier with so many ways to fool someone into thinking it's worse than what they had in mind.
Tekken has always been sexualized starting from Tekken 2, Jun had that safari outfit and nina had the short purple cocktail dress and pretty much all the girls revealed some skin in their own in character ways in all the games, but they definetly upped the ante with girls like anna...compare her TTT dress with her T5 one where they gave her embroidered fishnets and mandarin dress cleavage front and center, although tbf her secondary outfit was classy. Tekken knows how to keep the girls classy although Tekken has shown they've thrown that out the window as each girl has at least one costume thats pretty revealing but in their defence the main focus is the men in Tekken and all of them are muscle bound and cut like fresh carrot sticks and tend to be either shirtless or damn near shirtless so it's pretty even for both the guys and girlsdisclaimer: i did not read through the 5 pages.
to answer the question outright: DoA innovated sexy fighting games. when it first released, it had breast physics. those triangle titties were bouncing, the first stage was a beach, they were in bikinis. in DoA1. in 1996.
DoA is known for what it started out as. It was the first and only. SF didn't really add bikinis til SF4 i don't think? correct me if im wrong but it wasn't until they started using 3D models that the fanservice started and THAT was less than 10 years ago and tekken didn't start getting saucy til..................5? whenever customizing got super big.
i think after DoA, virtua fighter was next to feature sexy content but im not really verse in the virtua fighter games cause i..honestly don't like them. sorry if i repeated what was already said, i shouldn't be so lazy.
disclaimer: i did not read through the 5 pages.
to answer the question outright: DoA innovated sexy fighting games. when it first released, it had breast physics. those triangle titties were bouncing, the first stage was a beach, they were in bikinis. in DoA1. in 1996.
DoA is known for what it started out as. It was the first and only. SF didn't really add bikinis til SF4 i don't think? correct me if im wrong but it wasn't until they started using 3D models that the fanservice started and THAT was less than 10 years ago and tekken didn't start getting saucy til..................5? whenever customizing got super big.
i think after DoA, virtua fighter was next to feature sexy content but im not really verse in the virtua fighter games cause i..honestly don't like them. sorry if i repeated what was already said, i shouldn't be so lazy.
Tekken has always been sexualized starting from Tekken 2, Jun had that safari outfit and nina had the short purple cocktail dress and pretty much all the girls revealed some skin in their own in character ways in all the games, but they definetly upped the ante with girls like anna...
Putting my cents, you can't compare games like Tekken or SF since those happen to "just be there" for sexual appeal but not a huge factor on what made those game popular. SF and Tekken have a bikini yeah but it wasn't a huge contribution on what made those games do well.
I think DOA is a fantastic game, however just because SF or Tekken has a pack or customization for a bikini doesn't mean it's what made those games score a big hit. That isn't a good reason since it's just looking at a phase to play victim or something. I truly believe DOA deserves way more credit, but there are reasons why those games make it far. They have a huge crowd who focus on the overall content of the game than just portions of cosmetics etc.
Funny enough, you can say the exact same thing about Soul Calibur...and that game was actually successful because even though it was a great game on it's own...there's zero denial about the fact that it's female characters was more sexualized than DOA's by far(you literally have to bring in DOA5's DLC content or DOAX to even HAVE an argument of whose more sexualized between Kasumi and Ivy or Taki.)They probably did. Still wasn't a source on why the series is popular.
I'll bet you money that if Namco does the exact same strategy as Team NINJA their Tekken series would flop because you can't compete to DOA who flourish out of that these days. Simply because DOA can do it better.
Throwing my 2 cents in here...
I played DOA and most of the games in it's series like everyone else
DOA is stereotyped because it markets on it's sexual appeal, that not only suddenly disqualifies it from being taken seriously but that also every other game is suddenly "not as bad", which is still absurd because in truth, DOA is only as bad as the creators and team choose it to be(in the same way SFV wants to have it's cake and eat it too despite going straight into the DOA route with not only the costume selection but the sheer amount of sexual costumes the females have).
Funny enough, you can say the exact same thing about Soul Calibur...and that game was actually successful because even though it was a great game on it's own...there's zero denial about the fact that it's female characters was more sexualized than DOA's by far(you literally have to bring in DOA5's DLC content or DOAX to even HAVE an argument of whose more sexualized between Kasumi and Ivy or Taki.)
And Soul Calibur V, which regressed the seuxalization down, pretty much killed the franchise and while you can say Lost Swords did no favors, it went even WORSE in that direction than DOA could(seriously, the outfits in that game make no sense even compared to DOA's)