Why is DOA such a stereotyped game?

[gamemaster14]

Maybe its Tecmo milking the dlc cow until it screams with more and more sexy outfits instead of making DOA6. Do we really need hundreds of dollars worth of costumes? With each dlc pack, doa looses even more of the little legitimacy that doa5 brought to the table.

 

[DestructionBomb]

Good question, except DOA is one of the few 3Ds being supported still. Only difference is that the DLC for the game is keeping it alive and tournament events.

At this point we might as well get DOA6, however the game will likely fall in the same category as DOA5LR with the same content. Honestly, think people is just bored with DOA5LR. Just like them, I am also bored of the game but I also don't want a game where DOA6 looks too much of the same as DOA5 and then we will see people asking for DOA7 within the year after.

 

[Mayor-Of-Mustard]

i just hope doa6 balances its dlc better. a few stages and a characters but a ton of cosmetic dlc doesn't seem fair.

 

[Force_of_Nature]

i just hope doa6 balances its dlc better. a few stages and a characters but a ton of cosmetic dlc doesn't seem fair.

The reason why that is is because the "cosmetic DLC" is more cost efficient. I.e KT get a better return on the resources expended, and thus more profit. Producing stages requires a lot more resources to be made making them less of an appealing proposition than DLC costumes to KT (doesn't help when you have people bitching about paying $5 to buy the AoT stage too). KT needs a solid reason to produce stage DLC over costume DLC. With that said, I personally wouldn't mind new DLC stages, though DOA5LR has around 30-40ish, which eclipses almost any other FG in the stages department. People also need to remember that DOA5LR's DLC is essentially optional. Yeah, if you play the game competitively you'll need all the characters & stages, but costume DLC is entirely optional.

With regards to DOA6, I do admit that it should be announced sometime this year preferably and released in either 2018/19, because DOA5LR has lost some steam due to the core game's age, though I want TN to make a big splash with the game. Like DB implied, I basically want the game to be released, when TN can actually level up the overall game to a significant degree allowing the game to flourish for many years after release.

As for DOA being such a stereotyped game, it comes down to a few factors: 1. The manner in which TN has marketed and promoted DOA 2. DOAX existing 3. Sheer ignorance with regards to DOA's competitive gameplay mechanics 4. Stubbornness from some of the FGC to learn how DOA is properly played (believe it or not, the's game complexity can intimidate some people though most don't admit it and use the sexuality or the Triangle system as an excuse to not diving into the game further). 5. The general impression of the FGC with regards to the DOA community

 

[KasumiLover]

Completely aware of that, however the progression of the series up to DOA3 reduced that particular content and sold moderately decent even for lack of content. With the recent replies (should of read them), some are comparing the games such as Street Fighter on sex appeal content, but the fact of the matter is that Street Fighter never used sexy content as a way of contribution to why their games are more praised and played. Same as with Tekken. These types of games can apply sexual appeal with minimum effort due to the fact that those series itself have a mass consumer base who play those games for the full content, put on a bikini in Tekken and it will have 0% effect on sales reduction (unless they decide to change marketing strategy etc.) These days, if you ask a Street Fighter player to try DOA their response would be more towards "why should I play that when I can watch porn?" even though DOA isn't exactly as he would describe it. However barriers have opened up to that ignorance, but some of that ignorance wouldn't be a thing if TN showcased the game a little differently to where the SF player can still appreciate DOA for what it is.

For your second reply regarding the VF series and DOA, DOA started the sexy fighter trend but other fighters did not follow suit of that from DOA. Other games add the addition of sexy content regardless if the demand for it is positive for the least. Just like SF or Tekken, even if VF did sexy content for contribution, very doubtful they followed DOA for that. The series is way too hard to be played to even get people to enjoy the cosmetic portions of casual things.



They probably did. Still wasn't a source on why the series is popular.

I'll bet you money that if Namco does the exact same strategy as Team NINJA their Tekken series would flop because you can't compete to DOA who flourish out of that these days. Simply because DOA can do it better.

They've already kinda done it tho with their extra costumes they've added to arcades but Tekken fortunately doesn't charge a dime for it, all you gotta do is play at arcades and unlock the stuff in chests which I think is fair, especially since they charge in game money for 3/4 of the stuff

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

So did I. I played DOA long before this site even existed and met some of the older members awhile back before this. I played DOA on the older forums of DOACentral. I played DOA2 (Dreamcast) as well as DOA1 on a emulator to see what the fuss was about from the first one. Fun short game, might of been extremely exhilarating if it was back in the day. Only one I have never played till this day and age is Dimensions since there is no stable emulator (Citra just came out and still in it's early stages) and I don't own portables. I actually went to events to show support for the game with most of the other members who more or less post in the competitive FB group now. Not discrediting you for playing the game.

I don't know why you think I would believe that was an attempt at discrediting me. It's the truth, nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty sure that's the majority who don't take it serious for DOA. Other games do not take it as bad as this one. Do you want the sex appeal to stay in DOA right? yes? then leave it in there. They should however, promote more on the aspects of the game such as the gameplay heavily. The sex appeal is there. No one is trying to remove it. DOA fans will know it'll always be there so unclear as to why people develop insecurities from it.

SFV will survive despite it's harsh criticisms and the game is still being supported because it's the only game being supported by Capcom. But again, the sexual costumes isn't the goal for that game. Never was nor do I understand with why it's an issue for people to complain about the game that focuses on the overall content.

Now, I agree with the first part and I agree with the overall picture as I do believe they should focus more on the game's aspects than the sex appeal. But the second part...I disagree with.

Yes, SFV is a game that has been supported by Capcom and always has been and while yes, the sexy costumes isn't the goal of the game...you can say the same thing about DOA5LR despite the overabundance of DLC costumes because in the end result...it's exactly the same thing.
My point with SFV is that I find it ridiculous that it has to be a "goal" for people to try and play double standards. While yes, DOA focuses on his sex appeal as much as it's gameplay, if a little more, it's completely undeniable to pretend SFV isn't when a good chunk of the female costumes in that game are sexual mainly so that they can be sold so they can use that money mainly for tournament purposes. Made even more ridiculous by them going "E-Sports", they can't even use those costumes as even Capcom themselves know how ridiculous they are and are specifically selling them for their own profit.

Soul Calibur's success was for the overall content and hardly was a major point on showing some skin, the game's content overshadowed that so not sure why this one is a topic. The customization was just there just like Tekken and was not a major focus to the raw game. It wasn't even allowed in tournaments.

Look up Soul Calibur's V (and 4) feedback, sales, and community, and not once does it mention about oversexualization killing the franchise. The game died because it's no longer being supported nor getting updates, not because of sexualized topics. The series has become the dreamland to your daily Pachinko slot machines of gambling. Same as Virtua Fighter, the series also died due to lack of support from Sega focusing on other things and having a change in their department with the division team (Yu Suzuki is not even a director anymore). And just for the sake of time, I looked up all of this before writing this post so feel free to look it all up as well to let you know that I wasn't joking on this.

You are welcomed.

Again, that's not what I meant. The games was in no jeopardy of failing because of oversexualization, but it was obviously an issue people had with the game in the fact that it was gaining more and more sexualization to an absurd degree for the type of game it was. Soul Calibur had it's own problems and I'm simply bringing one of them up.

 

[Princeofhalcyon]

If i can weigh in, its really not that different from the way third parties treat everything. Its the classic glance and judge. Like how many games do you know from japan that doesnt have a swimsuit for at least one character? Tekken 7 is no different cause a group of outsiders overreacted the same way about its female content. (and this weird hate for lucky chloe.. was the game with fighting pandas and kangaroos not realistic enough?) Its also like how people think everyone only likes mortal kombat because its so violent. While that may have given it attention at first, people like it because its a legitimately good fighter. The violence is just a plus Think about wonder woman and how people respect her now despite the way she dresses. It's because people already know shes a good character, since shes been around so long its kind of hard not to know what shes like, people are just too lazy to give other characters not wearing a business suit and tie the same open opinion of not assuming you can't be pretty/sexy and be a good/smart character. Or that big boobs = lusty personality (They do exist in real life people, don't be afraid of em) hell a lot of women (mostly gamers) love playing the sexy female characters as much as sexy male characters, i should know since most of my best friends are girls and huge bayonetta fans.

It has personally bothered me sometimes how people act like theres so few decent female characters in the world but basically base this opinion only on whats come out in america as female characters from japan and even other countries have been getting to do things that took americans ages to get to for a long ass time. Girls can be comic relief, they can be the main characters, they can fight, they can be hurt, they can even be gay without it being some blown up front page news like when people found out tracer from overwatch is gay (i thought that was already a thing people knew lol i just assumed she was) its perfectly normal in media there to the point everyone just accepts it. And if we look at series like persona, the tales of series, final fantasy etc, you'll see tons of good female characters. But because people can't overlook clothes, they'll never know that and just label them as eye candy cause learning about each individual is too hard.

It's a sad attitude im glad doa players don't have. Because even if you like something at first for being pretty, which is something basically ALL people looking for life partners do), they don't just stay for the looks, cause no matter how pretty something is just looking at it will get old, and if that were the only case with this game more people would've dropped it long ago. (come for the looks stay for the brains as they say) I personally love this game more than any fighter ive ever seen not just because im not even a huge fan of this genre (i suck x3 ), but because the game is simple but at the same time deep enough to be enjoyable not just to watch but to play. The sound effects, stage craziness, stun system, fast smooth animation, combos and even the camera are all a feast for the senses. And just fun to play in. Sorry if that drags on, im too opinionated. If you got through it all good for you :3

 

[HajinMonSect]

Probably cause if you look up doa you'll find a video of the girls in bikini and lingerie on their knees or back with their legs spread panting heavily with water running down their breasts over and over and then you check the video source and see that its from the official game.

I wouldnt worry about the title "perv" though its only used by two different types of juveniles. First one thats afraid of sexuality and think being known to be into attractive things is weird and creepy. Just some weirdo thats extremely repressed and tries his best to make sure that ever has the same opinion as him so he'll always be the first to bring up "oh thats for pervs"

The second are strange people who will state I'm not attracted to fictional and cartoon girls. For some strange reason someone beat into him the ideal that you have to be only attracted to real people and has to always show that he stands by this while clearly showing off his inability to understand that people do get aroused by things that symbolize or depict the object of their desire. People that are against attraction to animated things just need to be asked how can they be attracted to photographs or tv images of people since they arent them and are just lights arranged to recreate them.

With that said, doa does lend itself to be a very awkward product. It emphasizes it sexuality to a very strong degree. Nothing wrong with that but a stranger that comes into your house and sees a nude magazine on your table will feel uncomfortable just because no one wants to think of others spanking it, well except pervs (whoops...!). Doa is in the same boat. First thing people knows about it is bouncing boobs and if they havent played it their only other exposure to it is when they scroll dlc looking for good updates and see a bunch school uniforms and thongs as dlc for this game every month.

 

[Mayor-Of-Mustard]

Would I be right in saying ryona videos are partially to blame or are they not as popular now?

 

[KasumiLover]

I would say not as much since any game can have ryona in it, Tekken and Street fighter and especially Mortal Kombat(my favorite ryona is for kitana, I love her screams...)

 

[Mayor-Of-Mustard]

Ah okay makes sense. I remember DOA5 first coming out in 2012 and i'd google Dead or Alive 5 for like everything (that's how i found fsd actaully in 2014) and first page would be full of ryona videos ah the good ol days of 2012.
2012 was 5 years ago ohlord.

 

[Matt Ponton]

DoA is known for what it started out as. It was the first and only. SF didn't really add bikinis til SF4 i don't think? correct me if im wrong but it wasn't until they started using 3D models that the fanservice started and THAT was less than 10 years ago and tekken didn't start getting saucy til..................5? whenever customizing got super big.

i think after DoA, virtua fighter was next to feature sexy content but im not really verse in the virtua fighter games cause i..honestly don't like them. sorry if i repeated what was already said, i shouldn't be so lazy.

Chun Li, Cammy, and Mai say hi btw. Oh, and practically any failed 2D Fighting game from the 90s, which is a lot.

You could have a long list for KoF but for every sexualized female character there's a non-sexualized female so its at least a balanced in that sense. I can't really think of non-sexualized female characters from the Street Fighter band wagon besides perhaps Karin and maybe Rose (depending on the player's taste), I mean Sakura was a straight up plea to the School Girl fetish including plenty of panty shots.

 

[HajinMonSect]

I would say not as much since any game can have ryona in it, Tekken and Street fighter and especially Mortal Kombat(my favorite ryona is for kitana, I love her screams...)

Bro way too much info. Damn.

How'd you go from anti vr x3 cause of kasumi scream to " i love the way kitana screams when shes kicked repeatedly. Heheee"

 

[KasumiLover]

Bro way too much info. Damn.

How'd you go from anti vr x3 cause of kasumi scream to " i love the way kitana screams when shes kicked repeatedly. Heheee"

I like the way she screams from fatalities, and that's not much info at all, I could've went even further. Screams from over the top killing doesn't = screams from sexual harassment

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

Chun Li, Cammy, and Mai say hi btw. Oh, and practically any failed 2D Fighting game from the 90s, which is a lot.

You could have a long list for KoF but for every sexualized female character there's a non-sexualized female so its at least a balanced in that sense. I can't really think of non-sexualized female characters from the Street Fighter band wagon besides perhaps Karin and maybe Rose (depending on the player's taste), I mean Sakura was a straight up plea to the School Girl fetish including plenty of panty shots.

Which is EXACTLY what I was talking about. It always felt weird and hypocritical that people pretend that the females' in SF are tame compared to DOA...when I see WAY more doujins and Rule 34 about the SF females than I do the DOA females. This isn't even going into that the females have been getting increasingly sexualized themselves throughout the series to the point that SFV has been going down the DOA route with them with their costume selections even though they BAN those types of outfits when it comes to streaming tournaments.

I mean let's be real, Laura is literally nothing more than a fanservice character created PURELY through fanservice. She doesn't even serve a purpose in the Story Mode from what I hear and literally just disappears halfway through doing nothing of importance. R.Mika has actually been increased in fanservice compared to SFAlpha and it's the same deal. And even Karin has plenty of DLC outfits that sexualize her up along with Kolin.

Let's not even get into Chun-Li and Cammy for fucks' sake(and you brought up Mai who funny enough, was the INSPIRATION for DOA and Kasumi and is possibly the most sexualized character in fighting games...and I like Mai more for her character and even I admit that).
It seriously amazes me when people jump through hoops to try and deny the obvious truth: Fighting game females are sexualized(atleast a good chunk are) but that shouldn't be any reason to pretend that the game is good or bad because of it.

I honestly like DOA for one of the reasons is that the creators KNOWS this is the case and revels in it like the creator for Senran Kagura. Now I do agree that the DLC is becoming too much and that variety is the spice of life, but in comparison to games deciding to "tone it down" for whatever ridiculous reason(MORTAL KOMBAT) or profit off it but then pretend it doesn't exist(SFV and Soul Calibur), having atleast one company know it's there and understandably don't care about what people say and still make a good game is a hats off in my book.

 

[Sotherius]

I again, feel that DOA's fanservice is too much out of place...

Private paradise, the doa xtreme games, it simply doesn't fit with everything else in the game, and that is what feels bizarre to me.

Other games do have fanservice, but they don't try to sell it as the main appeal, and most times, they seem to at least make consistent with the characters they're putting through it.

And again, not a game besides doa in the fighting genre went as far as having "clothing" that is only covering nipples and genitalia, which i think is also pretty extreme.

Also, a lot of people just see the doa xtreme series as softcore pornography, where other series haven't done the same in the fighting game series.

To put together, i do think DOA is an excellent game series, and i like sexyness, a fucking lot, but there is some stuff that doa pulls off that is not fitting, or doesn't feel right, as it would seem that TN has nothing to Offer besides sexyness, as if every doa character was just the fruit of someone's wet dream and an a subject of desire only, and i honestly don't like that.

Other fighting games do show fanservice? yeah, they do, but in official material, none has gone so far as doa...

Let's not forget oppai mousepads or butts mousepads, official dakimakuras, and all that kind of promotional material, is like Team Ninja is screaming: "Masturbate to our girls". Where the fanservice in other games is more like: "hey, we got boobs as well, we sure do, but i want you to just put money and time into us and feeding our tournament scene"

 

[KasumiLover]

I again, feel that DOA's fanservice is too much out of place...

Private paradise, the doa xtreme games, it simply doesn't fit with everything else in the game, and that is what feels bizarre to me.

Other games do have fanservice, but they don't try to sell it as the main appeal, and most times, they seem to at least make consistent with the characters they're putting through it.

And again, not a game besides doa in the fighting genre went as far as having "clothing" that is only covering nipples and genitalia, which i think is also pretty extreme.

Also, a lot of people just see the doa xtreme series as softcore pornography, where other series haven't done the same in the fighting game series.

To put together, i do think DOA is an excellent game series, and i like sexyness, a fucking lot, but there is some stuff that doa pulls off that is not fitting, or doesn't feel right, as it would seem that TN has nothing to Offer besides sexyness, as if every doa character was just the fruit of someone's wet dream and an a subject of desire only, and i honestly don't like that.

Other fighting games do show fanservice? yeah, they do, but in official material, none has gone so far as doa...

Let's not forget oppai mousepads or butts mousepads, official dakimakuras, and all that kind of promotional material, is like Team Ninja is screaming: "Masturbate to our girls". Where the fanservice in other games is more like: "hey, we got boobs as well, we sure do, but i want you to just put money and time into us and feeding our tournament scene"

All videogame characters have been fapped to, DOA just markets their girls that way. Fighting games have lent their girls to be sexualized, like lili on a cover of a magazine is wearing a skimpy bikini and there's lots of bananapass ports of her and that roach Asuka in many sexualized situations. In Udon comics and official artworks and other stuff, the SF girls are sexualized as well

Every videogame character or girl for that is pretty much designed to appeal to niche fetish, so DOA isn't the only one who does that. Yes....we know DOA has a beach game, that's been said time and time again but there is more to do than just ogling the girls, there's card games and other stuff which was the original intention of the game

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

I again, feel that DOA's fanservice is too much out of place...

Respecting your opinion but in my eyes, it really isn't. After you see Ivy and Sophitia's ridiculous costume in Soul Calibur 4, there's nothing in DOA that can match it past the Aphrodite costume in DOAX and again, you had to move heaven and earth to get that costume, let alone any girls to wear it in that game vs. those being their DEFAULTS in SC4.

Private paradise, the doa xtreme games, it simply doesn't fit with everything else in the game, and that is what feels bizarre to me.

Other games do have fanservice, but they don't try to sell it as the main appeal, and most times, they seem to at least make consistent with the characters they're putting through it.

And again, not a game besides doa in the fighting genre went as far as having "clothing" that is only covering nipples and genitalia, which i think is also pretty extreme.

1. I agree with that but the Xtreme games are their own games, spinoffs. They should never be counted with the main game...have no idea why people do that when they don't do the same for Mario games.

2. Again, DOA has it as a main appeal, but I don't understand how that makes it worse than games that don't but sometimes do it even MORE gratuitously than DOA(Again, I don't remember any DOA character flashing a bit of their bare ass during anything ingame like Mai does in UM2K2).

3. To be absolutely fair, Darkstalkers beat DOA in that area hard as Felicia and Morrigan are technically naked(Felicia is even worse considering that it's been a tradition that Felicia's ass is completely exposed and it's only covered through 2D sprites on why it's not that obvious.)

Also, a lot of people just see the doa xtreme series as softcore pornography, where other series haven't done the same in the fighting game series.

Again, completely unfair comparing a spinoff game to a main title. You know full well people don't even do the same thing to other games, so why should DOA be exempt?

To put together, i do think DOA is an excellent game series, and i like sexyness, a fucking lot, but there is some stuff that doa pulls off that is not fitting, or doesn't feel right, as it would seem that TN has nothing to Offer besides sexyness, as if every doa character was just the fruit of someone's wet dream and an a subject of desire only, and i honestly don't like that.

...Have you...actually SEEN people talk about Chun-Li, Cammy, Ivy, R.Mika, etc? Because trust me, they do sexualize the hell out of those characters, the difference being that you aren't looking in the best places for it meanwhile DOA has far fewer places where you can talk about the game itself without it being mixed in with that element.

Other fighting games do show fanservice? yeah, they do, but in official material, none has gone so far as doa...

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All from Soul Calibur Lost Swords...and you want to know the most egregious part? The fact that these costumes cost ALOT of money(like 60 bucks or more) to get and the fact that they had some really powerful stats in a F2P GAME. And this isn't actually going into SC4's costume selection which still beats the hell out of most costumes in DOA5LR in terms of oversexualization.

Let's not forget oppai mousepads or butts mousepads, official dakimakuras, and all that kind of promotional material, is like Team Ninja is screaming: "Masturbate to our girls". Where the fanservice in other games is more like: "hey, we got boobs as well, we sure do, but i want you to just put money and time into us and feeding our tournament scene"

You...do realize that those have existed for a VERY long time right?
And let's be straight here, when OVERWATCH has those types of pads:

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Even if it isn't officially sanctioned, you don't think people would shell out money or want these types of things? Hell, they was going to make a Bayonetta body pillow and Kamiya didn't give a damn despite if anything Bayonetta being way more than a typical sex symbol and if anything completely defines herself AWAY from that despite being fanservice incarnate.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Street-Figh...ody-Pillow-Case-Cover-Custom-02-/291736647245
And yeah, they do exist. Again, not being officially sanctioned means nothing when it still happens. I don't know why it's somehow bad to actually capitalize on it.

 

[HajinMonSect]

I like the way she screams from fatalities, and that's not much info at all, I could've went even further. Screams from over the top killing doesn't = screams from sexual harassment

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Anyway..

On the subject of Soulcalibur, I just want to say that I actually stopped playing it when it became all about the titties. The difference between that and doa was that doa was marketing like that and I wanted it and got it. The first Soulcalibur I played was on the dreamcast and it was all about lore and this great world and all those beautiful drawn images and character stories. When they jumped the ship and turn to a ho off, i felt insulted and never fot any more games from the series after the ones that had the star wars characters in em.

 

[KasumiLover]

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Anyway..

On the subject of Soulcalibur, I just want to say that I actually stopped playing it when it became all about the titties. The difference between that and doa was that doa was marketing like that and I wanted it and got it. The first Soulcalibur I played was on the dreamcast and it was all about lore and this great world and all those beautiful drawn images and character stories. When they jumped the ship and turn to a ho off, i felt insulted and never fot any more games from the series after the ones that had the star wars characters in em.

That's a pretty will reason to stop, Soul Calibur has always equally sexualized both their male and females characters. Yes, ivy wore basically string in SC4 and she had huge ass and titties but you also have Voldo who wears a thong, fishnet, codpiece and other bdsm gear that shows his entire body. Several of the male characters in that game are also full on shirtless, show huge amounts of pec and abs, and you can dress them in as little as allowed in the character creation mode, and some of the guys wear even more revealing outfits than even the girls do, some of the guys pants can also get even more ripped up than the girls to show more legs and thighs and there's even a chest hair loincloth option in character creation

Soul Calibur even sexualized Xiba in SC5 who's underage, he can be shirtless through armor break and left in nothing but thin pants and even less and he's only 16. Leixia is 15 and Natsu is 17 but they're both way more clothed than he is before and after armor break. In conclusion SC isn't much a comparison, from the very beginning they've went to equal lengths to ho out both genders, only time they didn't do this was in lost swords but that was a free to play cash grab so they intentionally brought back favorite girls and made skimpy DLC outfits so that the player could spend more money to unlock them, and because it was only in Japan at the start it worked really well, it just increased when western states became part of the equation