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KasumiLover said:

Well actually that's because he has a follow up after it iirc, it would be kinda wack for it to give him like +1 or so advantage outright on hit since we already have to guess if he'll free cancel or do the follow up that stuns on hit and it can be used in stun set ups

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Bass is hella slow though, it would be rather interesting actually to see even a +2 low while removing the follow up. That character should get all the advantage he can get to even initiate a startup, it's terrible gameplay to watch if your neutral startup gets blown out for someone hitting you when all the opponent needs to do is tap a jab or an i11 mid while the opponent gets hit on NH while suffering speed differences. To constantly play abare with a slow character is mostly considered gimmicks and false pressure just to get a hit in for the poor slow characters, at times goes against to what true neutral is or even trying to apply it. That shit looks horrendous so just imagine having spectators rooting for a wrestler and then get blown up by speed, makes the game look uneven visually speaking despite having answers for them (well, not every answer mechanically speaking). If Bass gets you with the shenanigans when you have speed priority, that's on you.

Slow characters in other games usually have a clear way to get in despite from having either slow movement, slow recovery, or a terrible keepout game. Bass has all three of them, on top of the unfortunate event that there is actual speed differences due to DOA deciding to being different, compared to other games where most slow characters have roughly the same speed as quicker characters but with only the situations of having the three mentioned above. To constantly play reads and Yomi every single time is situational for Bass. He has grappler throws, but yet this varies by block stun recovery where there are some moves Bass can't punish due to having follow ups or the recovery is too fast to even throw it despite it being unsafe.

If DOA was a far slower game where every unsafe move including the ones with follow ups free canceling, were mildly unsafe with massive recovery, I may agree with you.

KasumiLover said:

Doesn't he have something like that tho? He has 1P which gives him advantage on hit and alot of his attacks like K give him advantage on block too. He's slow but I always saw him as a character who has to Wait his turn to get pressure since once it's in his favor his options are scary but he's a slow grappler so you have to work harder for it, but I always saw that as a way to balance him since his throws and OHs do horrific damage if you guess wrong against him

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1P is literal gimmicks believe it or not, even Bladez and Gehaktbal can tell you. It's just gimmicks because people keep defending against Bass when they shouldn't at times. Tick throws are Bass's major weakness for example because it's guaranteed damage due to Bass being too afraid to commence an attack in fear of losing trades. An example:

P > into a i12 mid attack. P from like an i9 character is only at -2 or -3 (If Bass attacks here, he'd still lose the trade from speed or move recovery where he couldn't attack in time, if he continues blocking, it's because it's fear of the follow ups or waiting the person to finish it resulting in guessing too much in free cancelled attacks.)

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P > into a i12 throw. (Bass is afraid to attack now so he defends, resulting in taking big neutral damage from a throw he can't break).

Bass can get stuck into both resulting him to massively guess in situations he shouldn't truly need to, but because DOA is set up to heavy Yomi and massive high risk high reward, it results in this sort of dice toss (which is not good game design). If you fuzzy, you are increasing the risk to get hit on NH crouching or stand up too fast to get hit with an i12 throw. To get Bass to bully someone he has to be at advantage at all times, but to initiate that advantage, he has to start off in a gimmick way because he has no choice due to game speed differences.

A good positive note on Bass is that it's similar to Raidou, once someone is in stun, that's when Bass or even Raidou becomes incredibly scary, but getting those stuns is the hard part since the main cast common can initiate stuns easier and deal similar damage to hardly any effort. Obviously Bass is playable, I mean Gehaktbal won with the character against Siologica at a tournament, but it's also the case that Siologica messed up too much to allow that to happen, but because he messed up too much that's his fault so Gehaktbal earned it. In a tip scale of even matches, Nico would wound Bass in every situation movekit and speed-wise. Thus making Gehaktbal's win all the more glorious and deserving so I was pretty damn happy that he won with Bass on top of being a really good player, but it still doesn't solve Bass's initial problem where he can be common for everyone to play. It's a real problem, not a real balance type thing.

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