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:P+K: This move should crush high's but not mid's. :P::P::2::K::P: Put it back! :6::6::K::P::P: This kick is slow and easy as hell to read, make the kick stun on normal hit. :4::P::2::P: Should give her frame advantage on block or +0 if the move still exists. :P: Give her a 10 frame jab...

Oh gawd, Helena vs Sarah: just imagine two characters, one can transition into stance safely and one who cannot lol The only thing the DOA characters are meant to have up on the VF characters is damage, and Helena's damage is terrible.

It's just my opinion but I find it very hard to believe that Helena was better than Gen Fu. He had the exact trap Helena had with his 236F+P except you couldn't block his jab after he caught you forcing you to counter it. Plus he did tons more damage, had a faster jab, his 6P was god like, he...

No way she was number two, you could debate whether she was third or fourth but that's it. Busa and Gen Fu were at the top, although some thought Gen Fu was top, most people agreed Busa was. I have looked at tier lists online myself and most of them are garbage, a lot of them saying Helena was...

Helena was broken, really? She was what number 4 on the tier list, underneath Ayane, Gen Fu and Hayabusa. That means they were all broken too then right? She had an extremely strong mix up off of her grab, that did not make her broken. Misinformed opinions like yours are likely the reason she...

Dude it's not the videos, it's the fact that DrDogg who used to main Helena has played her enough to be able to write a character section on her and has hinted that she is the character that is worse than Lisa who herself is looking like low tier. Trust me it's not the videos it's the people who...

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/aug/23/lisa-and-helena-character-overviews-dead-or-alive-5-director-match-footage-pro-players/

I just can't figure out why Helena seems to have been hit worse than the other top tiers. Gen Fu will be BS because he always is, Ayane is the same with some new string transitions and Busa is slightly slower. Can Busa still crush everything with his 2F+K? I'd understand her P+K getting...

She does seem hollowed out, this reminds me of SCIV Ivy > SCV Ivy. The creators thought she was really good and turns out she was absolute trash.

I have no qualms about playing low tier, I just don't understand how brain dead characters like Busa who were built upon BS get to remain strong and Helena ends up in the trash can. I'm not completely without hope for her as a character it's just a shame we wait so long for her reveal and this...

You mean Dr Dogg the guy who mained Helena? Yeah I doubt he would have any idea what's wrong with his own character.

Please tell me you pulled that out of your ass. That sounds fucking awful! They removed PP2KP? Really? P+K is now useless? I bet that Busa and Gen Fu's crushes are still total bullshit. I'm going to get a drink that's actually pissed me off!

Does her P+K crush still work? You have no idea how bummed out I am hearing all this, although you did main Bayman in DOA4 if I'm correct so maybe you do...

Are you joking or are you being serious? If you happen to know why Helena is shit would you mind sharing the details with the rest if us? I'm sure all the Helena mains here including myself would love to here what you have to say.

It will be pretty sad if Busa, Ayane and Fu remain strong but Helena is garbage.

I'll bet Gen Fu is still a bitch :mad:

I don't think any character is going to suck honestly, as long as she is decently safe and still has mix ups out the butt I can deal with everything else.

Does this mean Helena gameplay is gonna be shown soon? Also I don't believe Helena is shit. I've played her since DOA2, I ain't stopping now!

True, I can't deny that. Oh I forgot Mr. Dogg, is there any chance we will see Helena gameplay before launch or is this all the characters we will see?

Don't worry I'm not offended, you know more about the game currently than I do I get that. I just watched matches of Ayane having all sorts of strings blocked and not getting punished at all, even moves like 6P2K. I watched the stream recently and my suspicions were confirmed though as I saw...