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I know when an opponent gets up,in the first frame he cannot hold . But I cannot understand the meaning of unholdable set ups. Because when someone gets up and is in disadvantage,usually he would just defend,or smash p to hi counter your throw,or maybe fuzzy guard.There is no need to risk...

Since Hayate's moves are so easy to read, it's not wise to do too many mix-ups after the first stun,especially against those hold-advanced characters like Bayman,Leifang,Rachel,Ein,Leon,Bass,etc. These are what I use, After 66P/CH 6P/CH 3K/CH 1K/3HK to get the first stun,do 1. HK or 2. 3PP or 3...

I know this is related to his posture. But I tried P+K,H+K ,when his head is in the front position,and both when his belly is facing the sky or back to the sky.It just don't come out. Sorry my English is like awful XD but I think I've described what I wanna say. Hayate is my main male...