DOA5LR La Mariposa's Carrera Cancel Breakdown

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Introduction.
I've actually been meaning to get around to doing this one for a while now since I'm currently maining La Mariposa.... so I won't keep you waiting any longer.

Getting Started.
Despite what it may seem like, The Carrera doesn't actually refer to Lisa running, the Carrera is actually her ability to shave some of the recovery off her moves and then break into a run.

These are two moves you can use to create distance and then cancel into a run however long or short you wish:

Back Flip :7::P::6_:

Hornets Sting :1::[h+k]::pause::6_:

Let The Carrera Begin.
You can only carrera cancel from these attacks, and they all hit mid. Luckily each one shaves a nice amount of recovery from the kick it was initiated from and creates distance, assuming you're not backed up against wall ofcourse.

1.:7::K::6_: Backwheel
(Dis)Advantage On Block/On Hit: i16 (-15/+31)
Recovery Difference: +3
2.:6::6::K::6_: Drop Kick
(Dis)Advantage On Block/On Hit: i26 (+6/+23)
Recovery Difference: +12
Guard Break
3.:P::P::K::6_: Drop Kick Combo
(Dis)Advantage On Block/On Hit: (+6/+23)
Recovery Difference: +12
Guard Break
4. While Running :K::6_: Drop Kick
(Dis)Advantage On Block/On Hit: (+6/+23)
Recovery Difference: +12
Guard Break
5.:4::h+k::6_:Helicòptero
(Dis)Advantage On Block/On Hit: i12 (-19/Knock Down)
Recovery Difference: +7​

As you can see, you can't Carrera Cancel from punch..... which is weird because you'd think it would be easier. Anyway if you want to mix a punch into your carrera shenanigans then you can use the Drop Kick Combo.... which as it just so happens to be the only string you can Carrera cancel from aswel. The rest are singular mid kicks that give either give a deep stun or a nice knockdown

Conclusion.
Since I currently main this gorgeous butterfly.... I would greatly welcome anything you have to say or contribute to improving this thread...
 
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It's not a gamble because there are no odds in your favour beyond them not putting in an input.
Well the know they are at disadvantage.... meaning they know La Mariposa can outstrike them..... so they would keep blocking. Is the perfect time to break out a Raw Throw. ;) when that stops working then atleast you can atleast try to get a counter hit from the Next "Pseudo Guard Break". I think thats a decent strategy.

I actually did manage to get a guaranteed hit off of a fully charged:1::[h+k]: Hornet's Sting..... but I only managed to land :236::P: barely in time..... but that was just against the AI. I still have to test it on myself and still have to test if its affected by range.
 
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It's not a gamble because there are no odds in your favour beyond them not putting in an input.
A lot of people tend to guard after they get hit by a guard break which leaves them at disadvantage. At least, a smart player will most likely do so since they realize they're at disadvantage. It's therefore actually pretty clever to do a throw after you guard break them which leaves you at +.
 

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That's not the case, other characters (at least Bass that I know of) has a bunch of moves which isn't frame advantage on guard break but that's exactly what I mean by tempo and rhythm @KING JAIMY. It's arguing terminology but what I mean to say is that i

t's not a guard break exclusive thing.

236p = -18 on block. I'd advice anyone to avoid that move.

I actually did manage to get a guaranteed hit off of a fully charged:1::[h+k]: Hornet's Sting..... but I only managed to land :236::P: barely in time..... but that was just against the AI. I still have to test it on myself and still have to test if its affected by range.
Comeon man that doesn't count!
 
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That's not the case, other characters (at least Bass that I know of) has a bunch of moves which isn't frame advantage on guard break but that's exactly what I mean by tempo and rhythm @KING JAIMY. It's arguing terminology but what I mean to say is that i

t's not a guard break exclusive thing.

236p = -18 on block. I'd advice anyone to avoid that move.


Comeon man that doesn't count!
LoL.... I still have to test it....
And you're right.... theres actually quite a alot of Guard Breaks that leave the one who initiated the guard break at a disadvantage.... including La Mariposa her self :236::P: is a guard break but she recovers so slow that it makes her unsafe....

I'm guessing they have some purpose in Tag mode since you can Tag Cancel when you stun the opponent..... assuming they programmed the guard breaks as stuns.
 
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That's not the case, other characters (at least Bass that I know of) has a bunch of moves which isn't frame advantage on guard break but that's exactly what I mean by tempo and rhythm @KING JAIMY. It's arguing terminology but what I mean to say is that i

t's not a guard break exclusive thing.

236p = -18 on block. I'd advice anyone to avoid that move.
I was actually only talking about guard breaks which leave the offending player at an advantage:

A lot of people tend to guard after they get hit by a guard break which leaves them at disadvantage. At least, a smart player will most likely do so since they realize they're at disadvantage. It's therefore actually pretty clever to do a throw after you guard break them which leaves you at +.
I know I wasn't very clear in my wording, but if the player on offense is at frame advantage, a throw can be a wise decision (e.g. after Lisa's 6PPP).
 

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I got what you're saying. They are at an disadvantage so they block. Some guard breaks gives the attackee at a disadvantage though, slight or massive.

Edit: this is got offtopic, but I'm glad we clarified a bit.

@Lulu I just when over CAR a bit in my note pad. Let me know what you think. http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/mulatto-note-pad.4796/
 
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Allrighty then... about The Hornets Sting... I tested it on myself and the AI and it definitely guarantees Lisa's:236::P: .... it might be spacing dependent but its not strict.... if you can trap someone with this move then the cross body slam is guaranteed.
I also tested this against an opponent with a wall behind them and The Hornets Sting won't push Lisa away if theres no room for the opponent to step back.... and what this does is guarantee pretty much any move faster than 18 Frames.
 
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