Characters Lisa/La Mariposa Throw Punish Thread

UncleKitchener

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Frame Data


Tier 1 (7i & 8i)

:P::P:(:4:):P: (:4:) (+1)(-3)(-8) (:high::high::high:) (NT)(T)(T)
:P::K::K: (:4:) (+1)(-12)(-8)((-3)) (:high::high::mid:) (NT)(T)(NT)
:6::P::K: (:4:) (-8)(-8)((-3)) (:mid::mid:) (NT)(NT)
:6::P::8::K::K: (-8)(-8)(-8) (:mid::high::high:) (NT)(T)(T)
:6::P::4::P::P: (-8)(-5)(-8) (:mid::high::mid:) (NT)(NT)(NT)
:4::P::K::K: (-13)(-5)(-8) (:high::mid::mid:) (T)(NT)(NT)
:4::P::6::K: (-13)(-7) (:high::high:) (T)(T)
:1::P::P: (-12)(-7) (:mid::mid:) (T)(NT)

:6::6::P::P: (-7)(-9) (:high::mid:) (T)(T)
:6::6::P::K: (-7)(-7) (:high::low:) (T)(NT)
:3::3::P: (-9) (:mid:) (NT)
SS :P: (-9) (:mid:) (T)
Running :P:(:4:) (-8) (:high:) (T)
:K::6::K: (:4:) (-9)(-8(-3)) (:high::mid:) (NT)(NT)
:2::K::P::6::K: (-11 (-8 on hit))(-13)(-7) (:low::high::high:) (NT)(T)(T)
:2::K::K: (:4:) (-11 (-8 on hit))(-8)((-3)) (:low::mid:) (NT)(NT)
:1::K::K::P::P: (-10)(-28)(-5)(-8) (:low::mid::high::mid:) (:low::mid::high::mid:) (T)(NT)(NT)(NT)
:3::3::K: (-13) (:mid:) (NT)
:236::K:(:4:) (-8(-3)) (:mid:) (T)
SS :K: (-8) (:high:) (T)
:4::P::+::K: Non-PB version (-10) (:mid:) (NT)
:h::+::K: (-8) (:high:) (T)
:214::h::+::K: (-11) (:mid:) (NT)
BT :7::P: (-8) (:mid:) (T)
BT :7::K: (-8) (:high:) (T)
BT :4::K: (-8) (:mid:) (NT)
BT :4::P: (-9) (:mid:) (NT)
BT :2::K: (-7) (:low:) (NT)




Tier 2 (8i & 10i)

:6::6::P::P: (-7)(-9) (:high::mid:) (T)(T)
:3::3::P: (-9) (:mid:) (NT)

:236::P:(Running :P::+::K:) (-11 ~ -18) (:mid:) (NT)
SS :P: (-9) (:mid:) (T)
:3::3::K: (-13) (:mid:) (NT)
:4::P::+::K: Non-PB version (-10) (:mid:) (NT)
:214::h::+::K: (-11) (:mid:) (NT)
BT :4::P: (-9) (:mid:) (NT)



Tier 3 (11i & 12i)

:236::P:(Running :P::+::K:) (-11 ~ -18) (:mid:) (NT) (Note: not a bad idea to go for tier 3 punishment if not done at max range, which is not easy to ado for a Lisa player).
:3::3::K: (-13) (:mid:) (NT)




Neutral Standing (4i & 5i)

:9::P::P:(:4:) (-5(+5)) (:high:) (NT)

:K::K::P::P:(:4:) (-9)(-5)(-5(+5)) (:high::high::high:) (NT)(NT)(NT)
:K::K::K::P:(:4:) (:high::high::mid::high:) (-9)(-5)(-3)(-5(+5)) (NT)(NT)(NT)(NT)
:2::K::P::K: (-11 (-8 on hit))(-13)(-5) (:low::high::mid:) (NT)(T)(NT)




Tier 1 Low (3i, 4i & 5i)

:4::P::K::2::K: (-13)(-5)(-22) (:high::mid::low:) (T)(NT)(T)
:1::P::K::K::2::K: (-12)(-5)(-7)(-20) (:mid::high::mid::high:) (T)(T)(T)(T)
:236::P:(Running :P::+::K:) (-11 ~ -18) (:mid:) (NT)
:K::2::K::2::K: (-9)(-10)(-13) (:high::low::low:) (NT)(T)(T)
:7::K::K: (-18)(-12) (:mid::mid:) (NT)(NT)
:2::h::+::K: (-11 ~ -12 shallow-hit)(+1 deep hit) (:low:) (NT)
Running :h::+::K: (-20) (:low:) (NT)



Tier 2 Low and Low OH (10i and Slower)

:4::P::K::2::K: (-13)(-5)(-22) (:high::mid::low:) (T)(NT)(T)
:1::P::K::K::2::K: (-12)(-5)(-7)(-20) (:mid::high::mid::high:) (T)(T)(T)(T)
:236::P:(Running :P::+::K:) (-11 ~ -18) (:mid:) (NT)
:K::2::K::2::K: (-9)(-10)(-13) (:high::low::low:) (NT)(T)(T)
:7::K::K: (-18)(-12) (:mid::mid:) (NT)(NT)
:2::h::+::K: (-11 ~ -12 shallow-hit)(+1 deep hit) (:low:) (NT)
Running :h::+::K: (-20) (:low:) (NT)




Strike Punishment

9i​
:214::h::+::K: (-11) (:mid:) (NT)


11i​
:3::3::K: (-13) (:mid:) (NT)


11i Mid​
:K::2::K::2::K: (-9)(-10)(-13) (:high::low::low:) (NT)(T)(T)


16i​
:7::K: (:P:, :K:, :h::+::P:, :6:) (-18) (NT) (Note: Despite being -18, it cannot actually be strike punished by 16i strikes, but anything faster work and generally throwing a strike out is a better idea to simply beat something so unsafe on block).


Most things around 11i Mids to 16i are good​
:236::P:(Running :P::+::K:) (-11 ~ -18) (:mid:) (NT)


15i Mids and up to 17i​
All the lows below can guaranteed :3::K: into SDS for :bass:, :bayman: & :leon:
:4::P::K::2::K: (-13)(-5)(-22) (:high::mid::low:) (T)(NT)(T)
:1::P::K::K::2::K: (-12)(-5)(-7)(-20) (:mid::high::mid::high:) (T)(T)(T)(T)
Running :h::+::K: (-20) (:low:) (NT)



Other​
:K::2:(:1:):K::K::K: (-9)(-10)(-28)(+9) (NT)(T)(NT)(NT) (Note: interruptible between the GB by strikes and sometimes right after the third kick. Moves with free step properties such as Marie's :2:/:8::P::+::K: or Bass' :4::4::P::+::K: can be used to completely free step around. Or you can hold or side step)

:4::h::+::K:(:6:) (-26 (-19)) (:mid:) (NT) (Note: Despite what the tool tip says, if an opponent tries to guard-cancel the run, they'll still get hit by either 18i moves)
 
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