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HoodsXx

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Is thinking of dropping Pai, after using her from since DOA5 came out, I've realized she lacks big time w/o a lot of her VF tools, now to wonder on if she'll get any of them back, is beyond me. But I'm thinking of dropping her, since I used Pai for a while, any suggestions on who I should use, that I'd have a relatively quick change to, from using Pai?
 

Chaos

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Maybe you should try Akira? Kasumi, Hitomi, Jann Lee, Tina or Leifang? Just pick somebody who is comfortable for you to use I guess. P.S. Are you sure you to drop Pai? Because I think her fighting style is interesting.







No story for the VF characters still hurts......:(
 

Prince Adon

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What does she lack?

Pretty much all Pai has going for herself is speed, poke game, and frame traps. Other than that she pretty much lacks everything else.She is probably the worse character in the game which sucks.

Like I already told you Hoods. I was going to suggest Lei Fang. Her fighting style just seems like the closes thing I can think of to Pai style. Plus Lei Fang is a heck of a character in this game.
 

DR2K

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Pretty much all Pai has going for herself is speed, poke game, and frame traps. Other than that she pretty much lacks everything else.She is probably the worse character in the game which sucks.

Like I already told you Hoods. I was going to suggest Lei Fang. Her fighting style just seems like the closes thing I can think of to Pai style. Plus Lei Fang is a heck of a character in this game.

Other than solid damage, the best guard break in the game, frame advantage, safety. Her hold damage can net her half life if played correctly.

You don't win against Pai at close range. She seems exactly like she was in VF5.
 

Prince Adon

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Other than solid damage, the best guard break in the game, frame advantage, safety. Her hold damage can net her half life if played correctly.

You don't win against Pai at close range. She seems exactly like she was in VF5.

Uh. Pai does not do solid damage. The combos she has that do do damage are not easy to do, or pull off. Best "guard breaks" in the game doesn't mean nothing if you don't have enough guaranteed anything to follow up with. She do not play like she do in VF. Most of her moves from VF didn't even make it in the game. How does she play the same? Do you play pai in VF?
 

DR2K

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I did and didn't notice anything notable missing. What's missing? She plays the exact same, pressure and bully you up close.

She does very solid damage, moreso than Christie, who is also a pressure character.
 

TRI Mike

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I don't think she's very strong TBH. Personally I'm bothered a lot by her FSD speed which is important to me in DOA.
 

Zeo

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VF character's movement... I honestly understand why people say it's the best. I thought Akira was as slow as a snail when I first saw his free step speed, but no other characters have such fluid movement swaying back and forth. It's much easier to space with him than it is with any DOA character.

(Now if only he had good spacing tools...)
 

Allan Paris

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All of Pai's move are still there. The properties and frame advantage of those moves have changed greatly. Which is why most VF players have a problem with their character in DOA. Although those changes where made so that the VF characters can fit into DOA, so you have to roll with the punches on that, and keep in mind you are not playing VF.

Pai's damage output and her holds is what makes her a weak character. What she can do with her moves is solid, her putting you into an unhholdable sit-down stun comes very easy to her. From whiff punishment, CH, or extending the stun. Staggerless stuns which means you have to hold from them, a stumble stun, and the list goes on.

None of that stuff means anything if the juggles you do from them do mediocre damage. The only hold that can land you a substantial amount of damage is her mid kick hold. The rest of them are either a 50/50 or has that mediocre damage to follow up with. The only players that lose to her are the unknowing and the players that like to hit the buttons. The players that like to hit the buttons lose very quickly to her because of them pretty much staying in CH state the entire time. Which at the point any character will do away with you quickly.

The moment your opponent smarten up and begins to block, space, not be quick to hit the buttons, and stop giving a damn about being held. Pai loses every time.

The average DOA character can take anywhere from 2-3 guesses to end a fight. Pai has to take a plethora of guesses and has to keep doing it to win consistently. She has to do way too much and the point of playing at least in my eyes, is to minimize how much you have to guess to win. Or at least have a character that deals solid consistent damage.

I really like Pai but she's a casual play character to the fullest for me. Unless someone is clueless at a tournament then I'll be brave enough to put her on the screen.


Hoods, play all the characters until you find the one that fits you the best next to Pai.


Moved thread.
 

HoodsXx

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Thanks Allan, yeah I agree with what you said too, I feel she is too causal which sucks to be honest. I'll go through the roster today and see who I'll enjoy playing with.
 

Chaos

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VF character's movement... I honestly understand why people say it's the best. I thought Akira was as slow as a snail when I first saw his free step speed, but no other characters have such fluid movement swaying back and forth. It's much easier to space with him than it is with any DOA character.

(Now if only he had good spacing tools...)
You have to at meant it, Akira's & Pai's free step looks pretty damn awesome. LOL :eek:
 

HoodsXx

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Too bad, I'd say they're more stick players than pad players. I think they're more suited for stick for that wave dash alone, as it's easier to space using it on a stick than a pad.
 

Tokkosho

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Ugh, i do feel a little cheated when i do 16 hit CB combos that do 40% health (not bad, but have to work a lot harder than others for it...) and she does have good juggle potential.. on light/medium weights... forget about heavy characters... and i get especially annoyed that jann freakin lee has more guaranteed shit than she does... and what is this guard break you're talking about? or do you mean her unblockable? because i think that thing sucks ass... i just use it to troll friends or as last hit for a win occasionally
 

Allan Paris

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It's 3P and charge Kick. If the kick is block it causes a GB and Pai can get a guaranteed launch from it. Her juggles are so damn weak that her strongest follow up after it is 66H+K and do her Kick from BT followed by her grab move. Sorry, I can't remember the notations for it at the moment.

That GB would be great IF it was a singular move or at least good juggle damage could be done from a launch after landing it. Oh yeah, since the majority of DOA players or players in general like to hit the buttons, good luck on landing the damn thing. The damage you can get from it is not worth being CH and having the tables turned on you just for charging it.
 

Allan Paris

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What?! Has this been confirmed? I was taking a break from Pai, but if this is true I may be taking my leave.

You can SE them but you will still get a free hit for your 50/50 mix up or a launcher. The only one that doesn't really grant a hit is her low punch hold. All the other ones it doesn't matter how fast they are SE'd.
 
Is thinking of dropping Pai, after using her from since DOA5 came out, I've realized she lacks big time w/o a lot of her VF tools, now to wonder on if she'll get any of them back, is beyond me. But I'm thinking of dropping her, since I used Pai for a while, any suggestions on who I should use, that I'd have a relatively quick change to, from using Pai?
I'm not upset with the way Pai plays, but I'm off to learn Brad. Keep on posting guys, I'll definitely be looking in on Pai's threads for any news or new ideas. Laters.
 
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