NightAntilli
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Don't pretend like I don't know how to play the game.
New DOA5 Balance Suggestion Thread.
- Thread starter DR2K
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bingsoo
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I'm sorry if I sounded offensive. I was thinking about an alternative, but I am definitely not implying that I know more than you, or that you don't know how to play the game.
NightAntilli
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Ok then. Consider my remark revoked. The alternative you suggested doesn't really work if your opponent timed the hold correctly. You'll get hit in the face.
bingsoo
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I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
-Team Ninja need to restore throw speeds back to Doa2/3 settings. They were perfect for punishing catch throws/offensive holds and defensive holds. Faster throws also kept players on their toes and players were required to have faster reaction times, making something like Jann Lee's Dragon gunner seem rather slow and sluggish.Raansu said:
Raansu
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Oh I completely agree, but even still, Jann Lee's dragon gunner is still pretty slow. Even if you don't duck it, pretty much all throws will beat it out even mid DG animation. All I was pointing out in my video though was that the recovery is already long enough that you can punish it with throws as slow as 12 frames and that it doesn't need a longer recovery. Even the start up is long enough, but sadly people seem to confuse animations with active frames. They think just because there is animation that the frames are in the active state. You can clearly see in the video the second time I do the throw punish that Jann's foot has already crossed the leg but I still had time to duck it and avoid the throw because the active window of the DG is actually quite small.
(this isn't directed at you VP, I'm sure you already know this)
DG - 19/4/25. It's start up is 19 frames, it's only active for 4 frames, and then it goes into 25 frames of recovery.
dawnbringer
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It's only a little bit longer than recovery of neutral throw (~22 frames), so relatively it's not very long recovery at all.
Raansu
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I'm not quite sure you understand how frame data works...
dawnbringer
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I may assure you I understand it fairly well.
synce
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Watched a bit of the NCR11 finals and I think the VF characters (Sarah especially) are gonna get nerfed hard. Not because they're broken but because if I was Shimbori I'd be embarassed to constantly see VF characters taking the spotlight at DOA events. I also think Momiji's gonna be top tier for a few months until TN succumbs to people's bitching (see: Mila).
DR2K
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Eh, Helena is the usual spot taker and they nerfed then bumped her back up.
They knew full well that characters with superior frame data were going to do better.
Raansu
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I don't think you do.
dawnbringer
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Why did you repeat your post? I see that you don't think I understand how frame data works. I don't mind. Can you add something in substance about that?
TRI Mike
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I see this thread full of comments about "nerfing". Didn't you guys understand from the tournament goers (and winners) that nerfs kill a game¿ If something is too good, you don't nerf it, you BUFF the other stuff so it becomes as good as the previously OP thing. Nerfing is what lowered the quality of the game during development. We had a perfectly fine game at E3 and I'm sure people asking for nerfs is the main reason we ended up with this.
Even gamers from the 90's didn't bitch about characters being tough, they welcomed it lol
So you think everyone in DOA3 should have been patched to have Hayate's cartwheel?
Yeah, no.
Yes and now you have to mostly guess if you want to land a slower throw on a holding opponent and this can limit the slower throw's usefulness to block punishing and there aren't that many -12 or -13 moves in a match when everyone is free cancelling or poking.
UncleKitchener said:
-exactly. returning throws to their previous speed would be benificial. Even catch throws/offensive holds were generally more faster. Tinas tackle into giant swing was 19 frames b4. This will also increase the use of fuzzy guarding....sigh.