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@Force_of_Nature - That is not beside the point. Read it again. It's a very small addtion, 'that is it'. People somehow think Namco will use this as a tool for a 50/50 competitive and cosmetic. The comments to be blunt is putting DOA's reputation in leagues to Tekken's options. That option from Tekken is the lowest amount of options because they don't focus on that element. DOA should not be compared to that.

Thats true. I personally hate when people compare things for ''whats better'' because thats all subjective. I actually watched a video on how they put more effort into making street fighter V a ''good game to watch'' over making it a competitve game to play. Sounded like a LOT of SFV's community hate the changes they made to it, and actually gave more respect for something being better because its more difficult.

Actually it is beside my point because I didn't make any reference to DOA when I referred to it. I simply inquired to why SF & Tekken would go down that route when it's apparently not necessary. It even drew heat to their respective developers and more.

Another reason people despise smash bros 4 compared to 100 imputs a minute melee thats so much more tech heavy and fast. I do think making a game look good is almost as important as gameplay myself. for example that new game ''arms'' people were getting bored watching that game fast, and only the producer managed to save it showing how exciting it can be if you're good

Like I kid you not, if Namco tried to pull a full force of cosmetics and Bikini over it's standard route (it would fail trying to do so anyway), I would of made topics similar to yours and that Tekken is a walking contradiction.

if i were to make a number for it, id say its 30/70 for looks and gameplay. At least now. unless you have iconic status its gonna be hard to get a good balance. plenty other fighters that hardly have FS havent really broken bounds either. Just like how final fantasy overshadowed tons of rpgs, more popular fighters are always gonna overshadow other fighters, so i cant put as much blame on TN for doa's lack of success

@Force_of_Nature Once again. You are subliminally suggesting there is some merit for them to add it. Therefore it is actually well on the point regardless of the type of game placement or not. I do agree that it is completely unnecessary, but I do not see how it folds to the resulting factor here.

sorry my comments are all over the place, trying to use this cap limit lol.. but anyway i dont want it seem like i hate any of these games, unlike some people i dont ''hate all fighters but mine!'' even if i dont wanna play something, i'll still admit if its good or watch if its entertaining. like you said my issue is with the people themselves. hypocrisy really bugs me more than most things

Tekken's shitty graphics with glossy color lighting on skin is horrendous. I certainly hope they don't focus on such because it gives me a headache just looking at the awful blend of portions. DOA completely blows this out the water and Namco needs to learn things from TN with some aspects.

Since im not hardcore into these games myself or learn much about the competitve scene or the decisions companies make on advertising and marketing (if they ever said their thoughts on them publically) i wont pretend to have any knowledgable input on the other factors in the conversation so i guess thats my last bit of opinion

@DestructionBomb i will say though YES i totally agree there. Doa's graphics still outclass everyone elses to me. Street fighter especially, i cant even look at that game or the weird proportions on peoples bodies. Shallow yes, but hey, no point pretending to like something regardless of reason.

No worries. I don't disagree with you or anyone to a degree, it's just difficult to compare something for that. DOA simply deserves more credit.

It's cool @DestructionBomb. I personally don't care about sexuality in fighting games unless it's distracting regardless of the game. But Tekken & SF adding some sexuality to their games is mostly a reflection of the direction the industry is moving in. I.e. A lot of people in the East like boobs.

Yeah, was hoping i didnt start a dispute lol. I like discussing matters like this as long as its civilized, something people arent so willing to do anymore. I have no issue with being proven wrong, i actually prefer it since my outlook on peoples attitudes lately is usually so negative

Sadly actually, TN can be blamed for DOA's lack of success. DOA's reputation and stigma have definitely affected DOA5 and as a result it got off to a slow start, which didn't really pick up until after DOA5U & Core Fighters released. TN marketed DOA5 terribly especially compared to Tekken 7's promotion. The DLC sales are to make up for DOA5's lack of unit sales.

I'm having a fight with Tekken's loading time and awful graphics than the game itself. People give Tekken far too much credit within the community over there.

We understood your point @Princeofhalcyon. I think it's that your tone from your initial post made you come off as salty that SF & Tekken are effectively doing now what DOA has developed its stigma off of over the past 2 decades.

Anyways, I have to apologize to you guys. I read my posts and it comes off rude. It's difficult to express any sorts of communication engagement if it's on text.

YES! Tekken 7 is so damn overrated. Gameplay is solid but the overall package is abysmal. Not as bad as SFV, but I hate these mainstream FG's getting away with substandard bullshit. SFV's release state was an insult to its fanbase.

Yeah, like i said, the text cap can cause issues when im trying to say stuff. One more thing i will say with team ninja is looking at hyrule warriors and the two characters they created for that zelda title, it really is apparent they just have taste for girls like that and not entirely just using it for profit. zedla definitely isnt a game that needs cute girls to sell well