Tomonobu Itagaki On Dead or Alive 5: “My Daughter Was Totally Ruined”

RoboJoe

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Itagaki had some choice words to say about TN's handling of DOA on facebook. Here's the relevant passage:

Prior to co-founding Valhalla Studios, Itagaki used to work at Team Ninja, where he developed Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive. Despite the fact he resigned from Team Ninja years ago, Itagaki is still rather attached to the Dead or Alive series, which he helped create, and it looks like he isn’t happy with the way the more recent games have turned out.

In response to a fan complaining about Dead or Alive 5, Itagaki stated: “I have started to find how/what I can do for my daughter/DOA. Straightly speakin’, my daughter was totally ruined, spoiled. I can’t/shouldn’t avert my eyes from that fact. Many DOA fans here are crying, I will do something for DOA after I finished Devil’s Third.”

What do you think he plans to do?

UPDATE:
Itagaki has further clarified his take on the new Team NINJA and DOA5:

"Divided" is the keyword for this comment, so keep it in your head. It's time for you guys to know the facts, you loyal DOA fans have been divided by current Team Ninja. No one can deny the truth.

I created the DOA universe with the goal that many types of players could all enjoy that universe together. More than anything else, being able to enjoy the game just by touching it was a fundamental design method.

"A game that everyone could enjoy"

What's the meaning of everyone? At least for the DOA universe, I and my fellows were imagining a few kinds of players. Let's try listing a few:

- serious fighting game fans
- casual fighting game fans (it's important that even if you lose you can still have fun)
- action game fans
- people who love Japanese animation
- people who love "characters"
- people who like to romp around in beautiful environments
- people who enjoy taking a little risk,like almost getting hit by a car outside a casino (being able to avoid that risk through skill is important also)

And lemme add a couple more to that list:

- people who love sexy women
- people who hate games that take eroticism way over-the-top

That's about it, I guess. I can't forget about any one of those types of people. Reason being is that all of these kinds of gamers from many different positions have supported the DOA universe we created for a long long time. Thank you guys, honestly.

Now, back to the "divided."
It's obvious that you guys, the loyal DOA fans, have been divided. Lemme explain in a way anyone can understand. I made the fighting game "DOA", and the action game "Ninja Gaiden." As the third pillar, I also created "DOA:Xtreme." Why did I create DOAX? The major purpose of DOAX was to act as a firewall for the main DOA fighter series, so that it wouldn't become excessively erotic.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love sexy women, that's also one purpose. But in a fighting game, there's no need for really excessive sexual imagery. Naturally, there're definitely people in the DOA fanbase who are looking for that. But at the same time, there're also those who don't wanna see that. So I decided to make a spin-off title to solve that dilemma with Zack Island, a paradise on an island in the south. As the creator of the DOA universe, I wanted to make and keep all DOA fans as happy as possible, so I've set up that barrier.

In other words, DOA and DOAX were two games with completely different purposes, and you absolutely CANNOT lump them together. But what did DOA5 blah blah blah do? I'm sure you guys already know. But lemme proclaim. Current Team NINJA was/is injecting too much sexualism into a game where it's not needed for several reasons. It's like attempting to prolong its almost dead body with a life-sustaining serum (or poison, in this case). As a result, those fans who don't like super-sexualized games have backed away from the fighting game DOA. What the hell kind of game designer would do something as insane as that? But they did.
All DOA fans shouldn't avert their eyes from this issue.

Next, I'll talk about game systems.
It's really difficult to make a game that appeals to serious, hardcore users, while at the same time being a game that's just fun to play. To accomplish that, the game system needs to be able to meet the desires of both types of players. That's our goal, the raison d'etre of DOA. There're many fighting games. Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Street Fighter - they are all amazing, fantastic games. But there is zero meaning in changing DOA to mimic them. But what did DOA5 blah blah blah do? You all know the answer already. By this crazy change, a large portion of the
casual fans, now pissed off and upset with a game system too focused only on winning and losing, have backed away from the fighting game DOA.
Here also was a ludicrous decision that split the DOA community. You can't ignore that either.

Now, I can sit here and pick apart the game forever, but lemme get to the point.
"Because of a series of ridiculous decisions from the current Team NINJA, the loyal DOA fanbase has been gradually cut up and divided into narrow uncomfortable positions."

This is the situation DOA fans now face. In my original post, I said that "some people misunderstand DOA's situation." Maybe some people also misunderstood that. But I think if you read this comment now, you'll know what I'm saying.

Who divided you guys?
Why were you divided?

Is there anything sadder than watching friends who've been divided turn their eyes away from what's important, and instead turn against each other? Innocent gamers just wanna enjoy DOA universe, who have had their playground plundered, who used to be one but divided due to some fatal blemish, just bashing on each other...

Hey! Is that what you want!?
Please remember that the reason the DOA universe has been going for 20 years now is due to you fans - all of you fans. I always appreciate all DOA fans. Don't mistake the real reason why you've been divided. That's what I want to ask you warriors who know the facts.

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Never take your eyes off the target.
SOURCE:
Siliconera
Itagaki's Facebook Comment
 
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PhoenixVFIRE

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David Gregg

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There's nothing he can do. He's not a member of Team Ninja anymore. And if there was any hope left of him reuniting with the company he just sealed his fate by dissing 5 saying how tainted his pure "daughter" has become. No one would want to invite him back when he would only want to create the next iteration through his "vision". Who knows what implications that could have from a story, visual, and most importantly, gameplay aspect.
 

synce

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If Itagaki makes a new fighter I really have no reason to play DOA anymore. The series lost all its aesthetics and charm after he left, and when it comes to legit fighting it's still nowhere near as fun as something like SF or Tekken. Nevermind the scummy DLC practices
 

Malfury

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Despite alot of things, I really like him as a developer. He probably might do something as far as paying homage or something. Can't imagine anything directly for sure.. One thing for sure, he is very close and personal with his fans, and that's extremely rare.
 

Kasumi-Phase-X

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Honestly, I don't think DOA is completely ruined (there are other examples of ruining a franchise) since the game has gotten the update it needed from changing bit with the models, fixed up the gameplay (which I've been enjoying DOA5), and even shrunk some of the breast from the original DOA females.

If there is something I would say about DOA5 flaws or how the company Koei Tecmo is taking DOA would be: 1) Parts of story mode didn't worked well considering each characters have their own purpose or which character has effect for overall story (which I would prefer older story mode style when it comes to characters like Tina, Lei Fang, Zack, Hitomi, Jann Lee, Mila etc.), 2) Some of the choices of DLC costumes like Gym Uniforms (other females, not counting Japanese females, Hitomi, & Marie Rose) were not really great choices, or certain Police Outfits (few exceptions to Me like Rig, Bass, Tina, & Mila. Plus Helena & Christie). I feel like when it came to costume choices are mostly just all over the place without a clear direction nor what reflects the character themselves. It comes from one group that makes them unique, another group that made the decision to have same costume themes, and another that were design by fans for costume contest (which isn't a bad idea), 3) After watching Master's stream about what is going on with DOA5 Last Round (mostly The Crimson stage) or how Koei is handling things, from the stage choices for DOA5 from what was suppose to be there but either made it a separate stage or removed part of the area, the majority being boxed stages (like other 3D fighters). Which the majority problem can be how Koei is releasing their games, which can be bit of problem to Team Ninja or if Koei decides to putting limits on them which Team Ninja couldn't be as creative as they want to.

I've even heard that part of Last Round content were going to be exclusive to PS4/Xbox One, which did worry Me the most and would make Me want to know what is going on in full details. Which I do have bit of worry (not too much worrying) on what will be DOA5 Last Round overall, and what will be the future for DOA with how Koei may end up handling the series.

I'm pretty glad to see that Itagaki still cares about the DOA series, even if having him back isn't going to make everything better, I think it would be worth the shot to have Itagaki work on the DOA series. (once he is finished with Devil's Third) Can't wait to see more possible plans.
 

crapoZK

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There are 3 ideas that I think he might have:
1.) Valhalla to collab with TN to make the next DOA game.
2.) Buy the franchise
3.) Merge his company with his, making the full old TN again, "Ninjas from Valhalla" lol.

It's the only way he can "do something for DOA", imo.
 

Number 13

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LMAO If Itagaki really cared about his "daughter" (I forgot he always used that term) he should not have left to bank on the success of Devil Third. With how DoA 4 turned out and promoting the beach game spin-offs I have little sympathy for him in regard to his reaction to current DoA like him still being with DoA would magically make things better.

Outside of the optional DLC cosmetic costumes that apparently people have no problem buying (they are not locked on the disc) DoA 5 is an overall better game despite the few issues. Unless you really miss the anime blowup doll aesthetic or Aerosmith you should be satisfied enough as a DoA fan.

If he was talking about NG then yeah he would have more credibility to be listened to.
 
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