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Hayabusiness

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These DLC practices have shown that DOA is fucked to remain a niche Japanese game that only sells to its core audiences, unless they try some new, wider marketing strategy that is.
Not to mention the stigma... the only time the series makes the news is some sensationalistic sex-scandal bullshit about DOAX3.

Maybe the next games in the series will be published by NIS America hahah~~
 

SoftCabbage

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Well, if the paid extensive contents are more towards replayability such as new stage, new side story, and new game mode, instead of making the costume list keep rolling for one minute and still not looped yet, then we'll definitely have more things to talk about.
 

Jadeinchains

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I definitely agree @Force_of_Nature the fan design contests are amazing! :) Not only are they a brilliant way for fans to make their own design mark in the series but they always seem to bring everyone together, the thread for it is always filled with ople talking about their designs and others and its really good.

Hopefully they announce another design contest soon!
 

Force_of_Nature

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These DLC practices have shown that DOA is fucked to remain a niche Japanese game that only sells to its core audiences, unless they try some new, wider marketing strategy that is.
Not to mention the stigma... the only time the series makes the news is some sensationalistic sex-scandal bullshit about DOAX3.

Maybe the next games in the series will be published by NIS America hahah~~
Hate to break it to you but every Japanese Fighting Game is niche besides Street Fighter. DOA5LR's "DLC practices" have no bearing whatsoever on its "niche" status, i.e the game would be niche regardless of its DLC practices. In contrast SFV's DLC/handling of content practices are a lot more obnoxious.
 

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Hate to break it to you but every Japanese Fighting Game is niche besides Street Fighter. DOA5LR's "DLC practices" have no bearing whatsoever on its "niche" status, i.e the game would be niche regardless of its DLC practices. In contrast SFV's DLC/handling of content practices are a lot more obnoxious.

Street Fighter might have been able to attract a big and casual crowd before, with SFV that certainly has changed...
 

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TBH I wish Itagaki was still in charge of HIS game, he's a lot more social with fans now and I'm sure he would have listened to feedback of the competitive players and pleas of the casual, should he had chosen to continued the series from 4. I'm probably in the minority here but a man can only dream at this point. the thing about the previous games was they were never trying to be anything other than what they were because they were fueled by his vision, the vision was taken away now the game is a lost puppy.

Explain.

To be fair, DOA5 has received the biggest competitive changes compared to the previous editions. At least they tried with DOA3 but that didn't go so well yet it had some solid ideas from it, but of course that one was overshadowed. DOA5 and it's upgrades is literally the only version that receives patches and the only one being brought to tournaments while still trying to represent as well as trying it's best to remain true as a respectable fighter. DOA4 was a mess in competitive standards that barely had any updates (and had potential to do updates but they chose not to). As far as I'm aware, the competitive players enjoy DOA5 the most currently and that's the majority. The old stuff is obsolete and there are times where they have to make change and improve. They are trying to stay relevant as a series to a positive note while trying to not be overshadowed to some extent. You simply can't backtrack to the old ways and expect great change. It's an old movement that is not drawing people from all around to try the game. Hell, DOA5 has tutorials for new players to the series which the previous versions lacked. That is an incredible improvement.

As for the casual side of things, can't speak for this deeply because it is unknown if the same practices would of been the same in the past..though people have asked Itagaki on Facebook and he mentioned that he is against DLC related content because it's taking elements away from the game, but from what I'm seeing as of right now, DOA5 with Hayashi has enabled people to create fan-made costumes from a contest+DLC, absorb feedback from the fans from a casual and competitive standpoint, as well as promote the game heavily. I'm sure Mr. Wah or someone could explain it in more detail as to why.

Props for Itagaki to make such a great series as well as NG, but If there's anything Itagaki could come back for...I'd like for him to only come back for Ninja Gaiden, however not for DOA since it's a fighting game by core standards. Itagaki compared to Hayashi would probably be no different as a whole, but in terms of holding the series and staying important, Team NINJA has been doing a solid job with Yosuke without Itagaki from the looks of it.
 
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Sotherius

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Props for Itagaki to make such a great series as well as NG. If there's anything Itagaki should come back for...I'd like for him to only come back for Ninja Gaiden, however not for DOA since it's a fighting game by core standards.

I don't want itagaki to NG either tbh... But i'm probably the minority. here.

Back to topic.

DLC costumes aren't harmful in any way by themselves, DOA 5 LR is still getting balance patches, and that is really good, considering this is a 4+ year old game. And i still want to see one creation of mine in this game.
 

DestructionBomb

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I don't want itagaki to NG either tbh... But i'm probably the minority. here.

Back to topic.

DLC costumes aren't harmful in any way by themselves, DOA 5 LR is still getting balance patches, and that is really good, considering this is a 4+ year old game. And i still want to see one creation of mine in this game.

Considering how NG3 went, I lost "very small" hope to NG. There is still hope left in there though, possibly create something similar to NG1 or 2, but anything is great at this point since we all need a Ninja Gaiden badly. Hopefully it is better than all the previous ones.

NG3+Razor's Edge wasn't a bad game, but it wasn't a terrific game that blew the other ones out the water.
 

KasumiLover

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The only thing Itagaki was good for imo:
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But back on topic, hopefully 2017 will be the year they give the western players some worthwhile DLC. It doesn't really bother me since I buy what I like and just play the game, I haven't bought any DLC yet since Mai was released.
 

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Haven't posted here in a minute, I take it that we won't see a contest design for awhile no? I might have to hit up Ghosty-J again for another one if there's one coming.
 

DestructionBomb

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Youch, might have to skip some if it's another collaboration pack where some of the characters don't get any (if they are cool/interesting collaboration packs, surprise me then lol)
 

Argentus

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Well hey even though my opinions are unpopular at least it sparked discussion so the threads not so dead for a while lol. And that's what I was saying that there was nothing to talk about XD

@Force_of_Nature tbf you literally said the same points I did, only you were all yay about it XD.

I fully admit my perception is colored by the fact my mains consistently get nothing or total shit not worth buying anyway.


So yes they always crank stuff out but most of its not worth getting anyway which is the problem.




To be on topic I do agree with itagaki that the dlc practices take away from the game.

But the core of that problem is the fact that Japanese players like generic shit rather than individualized stuff, so they id the generic copy paste stuff instead.
 
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Project Bokuho

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Youch, might have to skip some if it's another collaboration pack where some of the characters don't get any (if they are cool/interesting collaboration packs, surprise me then lol)
To be fair, the shadowman and deception packs are pretty much the only collaboration costumes that are worth buying, both of which were already in DOA2 (for only a few characters though if I remember correctly). As for the other collaborations? Well...different strokes for different folks, I guess.
 
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Force_of_Nature

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@Force_of_Nature tbf you literally said the same points I did, only you were all yay about it XD.

So yes they always crank stuff out but most of its not worth getting anyway which is the problem.


But the core of that problem is the fact that Japanese players like generic shit rather than individualized stuff, so they id the generic copy paste stuff instead.

That's what I mean by you being overly pessimistic. I look at things from both sides and can acknowledge the positives & negatives. You just rag on everything lol.

Also, I'm pretty sure that there's Western players that play generic shit also (*coughscod&fpscoughs*), not exactly fair to attribute it to just the Japanese hmm?

I also personally liked the Samurai Warriors & Fighting Force packs.
 

Xhominid The Demon Within

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These DLC practices have shown that DOA is fucked to remain a niche Japanese game that only sells to its core audiences, unless they try some new, wider marketing strategy that is.
Not to mention the stigma... the only time the series makes the news is some sensationalistic sex-scandal bullshit about DOAX3.

Maybe the next games in the series will be published by NIS America hahah~~

As @Force_of_Nature stated, past Mortal Kombat damn near every other fighting game is niche compared to Street Fighter...and with how SFV is shaping up to be, even THAT is becoming just as niche as any other Japanese Fighting Game.

Which is funny considering that only counts for America, aka the side of the FGC that primarily sides with Capcom Fighting Games due to such nostalgia compared to damn near every other fighting game series.

So yeah, that's not really helping your point right now(especially since SFV is actually WORSE than DOA in the DLC department considering Fight Money is literally finite AND they are basically trying to sell SFV as if it's a MOBA game or a F2P game as a $60 game)

EDIT: The only reason I haven't been playing DOA5LRCF on my PS4 these days is due to literally trying to catch up on all the games I haven't played in the past year or so.
I still have lots of enjoyment for the DOA series in general, but I'd rather finish what I started in other games.
 

Hayabusiness

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Explain.

To be fair, DOA5 has received the biggest competitive changes compared to the previous editions. At least they tried with DOA3 but that didn't go so well yet it had some solid ideas from it, but of course that one was overshadowed. DOA5 and it's upgrades is literally the only version that receives patches and the only one being brought to tournaments while still trying to represent as well as trying it's best to remain true as a respectable fighter. DOA4 was a mess in competitive standards that barely had any updates (and had potential to do updates but they chose not to). As far as I'm aware, the competitive players enjoy DOA5 the most currently and that's the majority. The old stuff is obsolete and there are times where they have to make change and improve. They are trying to stay relevant as a series to a positive note while trying to not be overshadowed to some extent. You simply can't backtrack to the old ways and expect great change. It's an old movement that is not drawing people from all around to try the game. Hell, DOA5 has tutorials for new players to the series which the previous versions lacked. That is an incredible improvement.

As for the casual side of things, can't speak for this deeply because it is unknown if the same practices would of been the same in the past..though people have asked Itagaki on Facebook and he mentioned that he is against DLC related content because it's taking elements away from the game, but from what I'm seeing as of right now, DOA5 with Hayashi has enabled people to create fan-made costumes from a contest+DLC, absorb feedback from the fans from a casual and competitive standpoint, as well as promote the game heavily. I'm sure Mr. Wah or someone could explain it in more detail as to why.

Props for Itagaki to make such a great series as well as NG, but If there's anything Itagaki could come back for...I'd like for him to only come back for Ninja Gaiden, however not for DOA since it's a fighting game by core standards. Itagaki compared to Hayashi would probably be no different as a whole, but in terms of holding the series and staying important, Team NINJA has been doing a solid job with Yosuke without Itagaki from the looks of it.

Kodachi probably said it from an aesthetic and mood point of view.
While past DOA games had that cool early 2000s vibe all over the place and could be pinpointed well, it had a clear identity, DOA5 on the other hand is all over the place: first it monkeys American games and atmosphere, then it goes back to Japanese moe aesthetic to the point it does feel like an ecchi fighting game like Arcana Heart.

I do praise TN for the costume contests, that is the best fanservice they could possibly do, but they do it twice a year if we are lucky. And DOAX3's practices are and were garbage, won't excuse them for that.

I doubt here people will argue that Itagaki needs to be back for the gameplay aspect because in that regard DOA has never been better, but the casual POV, it's wonky and indecisive.

But if the next installment goes completely "ridiculous titty fighter" it will still be the butt of everybody's jokes. I doubt anything can change DOA's reputation now, not even going back to Itagaki's atmosphere and aesthetic.
Because even if the game was just like DOA2 which had nothing particularly jarring, nothing other popular Japanese games did not do, gaming is mostly made of male heterosexual guys who will make fun of the tits (while praising Chun Li in a bikini) because "it's just a ploy to hide bad gameplay!!11", since they are so butthurt their punches can be held.
The triangle stystem is probably at fault as much as the tits.
 

P2p1mbs

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I want to buy some costumes next week (if/when I get paid) for my 4 mains but I cant decide between their showstoppers encore, flower bikinis or the recent summer fest costumes. Anyone have any recommendations?
 
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