DR2K
Well-Known Member
The fact that it's a glitched animation that gives characters mobility options that break the ground game. You're to spin it back to the playing to win thing, but we've already established the fatal flaw in using it.
Dead or Alive 5 - Known Bugs/Glitches
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The fact that it's a glitched animation that gives characters mobility options that break the ground game. You're to spin it back to the playing to win thing, but we've already established the fatal flaw in using it.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
The ground game doesn't break the game. Unless guessing is suddenly broken. . .
Kyotos Finest
Member
I would consider characters with flip animations such as Sarah or Kasumi to have an instant win on the ground game because they can just flip over any wake up kicks, and sometimes end up behind their opponent and have a lot of options from there. At least BDC will just cause you to make a lot of space.
So that was a pretty poor argument to make seeing as these traits alone would give characters "advanced mobility".
That being said I don't particularly like the BD cancels, I don't hate them "yet" because no one abuses them, Though I think a better fix would be buffing the back dash, they need to create more space or be a bit quicker, I hate the fact that if I try to back off of a downed opponent by BDing I still get hit by the wake up kick.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
They take a risk with their flips, there's no risk at all with BDC.
Chaos
Well-Known Member
Give it to everyone and fix the buffer system.
HiguraShiki
Active Member
Risk with flipping? If you try to just wake up after they flip over you, you are at a 5 frame disadvantage no matter wtf happens. Even worse if you miss the wakeup kick. Or you can just lay there like a moron and take repeated 2P's until you wake up, but then guess what? Oh snap they flipped over you?
loralei
Active Member
I've only had that problem with Kasumi's CB move, especially when you you it as the first move of a combo. Hitomi's and other characters' CB move works fine with me. Was messing around in dimensions recently and Kasumi's
knocked other characters to the other side of the stage lol
Musourenka
Active Member
When your only realistic options to deal with the ground game are force-teching or backing far away...
The priority on wake-up kicks is a bug in and of itself.
dawnbringer
Active Member
Every character has built-in move that beats wake-up kicks. Try to discourage your opponent from using wake-up kicks.
Musourenka
Active Member
What's Kokoro's? Other than backing away and 214P/236P whiff punishing?
shunwong
Active Member
I think he means holds.
dawnbringer
Active Member
8P+K. Although pounce attacks aren't really good.
Jefffcore
Well-Known Member
If I knock you down a set of stairs, I should not have to worry about getting hit with a wake up kick; If I knock you down while my back is near a wall, I shouldn't HAVE to guess between wake up kicks. I'm assuming when you say "ground game" wake up kicks are what you mean. They're dumb.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
Wake up kicks are a guess and a risk to do.
Chaos
Well-Known Member
You mean when you're far away from your opponent you can still get hit by it?
Kyotos Finest
Member
Serious? A risk with flipping? Most prelaunch the flip so they are already landing while you wake up, it avoids kicks and keeps you safe even if a player stands up normally. What is the risk there? Come on now.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
If you dont use a wake up kick they'll be at disadvantage. If they time it wrong they'll be hit by a wake up kick.
