Getting ruined as Brad Wong

[Demoth]

Been a Brad Wong main since 3. Played him a LOT in 4 until I hit S.

Was having great success with him in 5, but.... Something about him just totally is throwing me off now. His slowness, move setups and inability to interrupt.

I've become a lot more casual over the years, so I'm not a pro player, and I dont actually know how I managed to get to S with Brad in 4; I guess because I played almost 5 hours a night over a Summer while working at a Juvenile Facility over night and basically having nothing to do but play online from midnight to 8 AM, minutes room checks and building checks.

Thing is, I wasn't having any problems online until I started fighting S ranked players. I seem to get knocked out of all my combos mid string, I get juggled endlessly if I misread their mixup (looking at you Helena and Kokoro) and generally spend the entire match rustling and waiting for them to stop attacking me.

I've been trying to learn the current top tier character's combos and when I can punish, but Brad feels soooooo slow that even when I throw out his lowest frame moves to retaliate, I'm being hit with something that just takes priority and the half my health is gone.

I recently attended that Winter Brawl in Philly and was feelin pretty confident while warming up against other players, but then I got matched up against an Ayane player who basically didnt let an of my moves finish coming out before I was airborne.

EDIT - sorry for spelling. I'm on my iPhone that auto-mangles some of the things I type.

 

[P1naatt1ke1tt0]

Brad Wong is a very evasive character, he has that mid punch launcher that avoids highs, and other ducking options - the lying stance avoids even most mids. He also has superior start-of-round options because he can go to stance before GO. But I'm not a Brad player, I suggest checking out the Brad character section...

 

[Demoth]

Brad Wong is a very evasive character, he has that mid punch launcher that avoids highs, and other ducking options - the lying stance avoids even most mids. He also has superior start-of-round options because he can go to stance before GO. But I'm not a Brad player, I suggest checking out the Brad character section...

I've bad no success with lying down because I'm not sure which mid attacks it avoids; I seem to get knocked out of it by every mid attack thrown at me. Not to mention most people passed B rank know how to low throw me out of it.

I'm going to double check the Brad section again for his start-of-round options because the only two moves that ever seem to sometimes connect before other people are his up+forward kick and down+forward held punch. (Despite having played for so long, I'm terrible at the terminology)

 

[Sly Bass]

He may be slow, but he has an insane amount of crushes. You need to use his evasiveness to beat opponents. 2 of his best strikes to get your move in edge wise are his and his back turned .

 

[Sly Bass]

I've bad no success with lying down because I'm not sure which mid attacks it avoids; I seem to get knocked out of it by every mid attack thrown at me. Not to mention most people passed B rank know how to low throw me out of it.

I'm going to double check the Brad section again for his start-of-round options because the only two moves that ever seem to sometimes connect before other people are his up+forward kick and down+forward held punch. (Despite having played for so long, I'm terrible at the terminology)

Brad can roll on the ground, essentially acting as a side step. Someone tries to rush you, roll and attack.

 

[Demoth]

Brad can roll on the ground, essentially acting as a side step. Someone tries to rush you, roll and attack.

Oh, believe me, I know all about rolling on the ground to avoid counter attacks after I corkscrew launch at someone who refuses to low throw

My brother mains Ryu, and if I'm ever laying down he does some major ground covering smash kick that tracks really hard. I've noticed Helena has a similar low move.

Maybe I just need to get better at rolling away from people and transitioning to blocking.

 

[Demoth]

He may be slow, but he has an insane amount of crushes. You need to use his evasiveness to beat opponents. 2 of his best strikes to get your move in edge wise are his and his back turned .

What's sad is when I play online, I smash A+'s without any problem. As soon as an S- shows up, however, I'm usually going to get exploded. Like, not even close.

I think I went from rank C+ to B by beating two different S+ players in a row. I don't know if they were goofing around, not usin their mains or if I was just in one of those grooves I sometimes get in.

 

[Sly Bass]

Yeah, sorry, all I can really offer are the basics. I'm kind of a one trick pony when it comes to character knowledge.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

What's sad is when I play online, I smash A+'s without any problem. As soon as an S- shows up, however, I'm usually going to get exploded. Like, not even close.

I think I went from rank C+ to B by beating two different S+ players in a row. I don't know if they were goofing around, not usin their mains or if I was just in one of those grooves I sometimes get in.

Don't pay attention to rank most S rank players aren't that good. Getting to an S- isn't very hard in DOA5.

 

[Demoth]

Don't pay attention to rank most S rank players aren't that good. Getting to an S- isn't very hard in DOA5.

Well, this is the issue I'm having. It's ONLY S ranked players giving me an incredibly hard time. Maybe an A every here and there. I'm talking strictly ranked matches. Lobby matches are a grab bag since someone may be S quality and never touched ranked.

But on average, I do well with Brad until some S level (in skill) player joins and just beats me so bad I get bruises in real life.

It's like, as soon as people figured out that Brad's gimmicks are really weak compared to other characters, he gets slammed.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

It's like, as soon as people figured out that Brad's gimmicks are really weak compared to other characters, he gets slammed.

Everything is a gimmick once you have a character figured out.

Brad can avoid every high and 99% of the games mid attacks whilst in lying down stance.
He can also side step whilst lying down meaning he eliminates every attack in the game except tracking low attacks. Tracking low attacks don't come out very fast so if you think one is coming he has attacks from lying down that will beat them on speed.
He has the best set of crushes in the game this eliminates all of your opponents high options forcing them to use mid's and low which are slower. This helps him compete speed wise.
He can hit CB pretty fast without much problem, he has the best mix up potential of any of the cast thanks to his massive move list and his damage output is pretty damn high too.

He has every tool at his disposal to win, it's up to you how to use them. Saying that his gimmicks are weak in comparison to other characters is selling him short. He just isn't a brain dead character who you can simply throw out moves and expect results with.

 

[Sly Bass]

Well, this is the issue I'm having. It's ONLY S ranked players giving me an incredibly hard time. Maybe an A every here and there. I'm talking strictly ranked matches. Lobby matches are a grab bag since someone may be S quality and never touched ranked.

But on average, I do well with Brad until some S level (in skill) player joins and just beats me so bad I get bruises in real life.

It's like, as soon as people figured out that Brad's gimmicks are really weak compared to other characters, he gets slammed.

One thing I've experienced going against S ranked players is that there is a distinct difference in the type of opponents you play. There are the ones that mash buttons because they know they'll beat you out due to internet lag. When you do catch them, they spam counters so randomly that it throws you off your game when they're successfully guessing your moves. Then there are the other players who properly block/punish/slow escape. Transitioning your play style to combat both types of opponents can be annoying. Remember, breath easy and try to leverage your character's strengths. Otherwise you'll be fighting with clouded judgement.

 

[Demoth]

Everything is a gimmick once you have a character figured out.

Brad can avoid every high and 99% of the games mid attacks whilst in lying down stance.
He can also side step whilst lying down meaning he eliminates every attack in the game except tracking low attacks. Tracking low attacks don't come out very fast so if you think one is coming he has attacks from lying down that will beat them on speed.
He has the best set of crushes in the game this eliminates all of your opponents high options forcing them to use mid's and low which are slower. This helps him compete speed wise.
He can hit CB pretty fast without much problem, he has the best mix up potential of any of the cast thanks to his massive move list and his damage output is pretty damn high too.

He has every tool at his disposal to win, it's up to you how to use them. Saying that his gimmicks are weak in comparison to other characters is selling him short. He just isn't a brain dead character who you can simply throw out moves and expect results with.

Dodging most mids, let alone 99% of them is 100% false. Even standing straight mid punches will knock him off the ground.

Also, if you try rolling on the ground, you will get thrown. If Brad were THAT evasive who could just throw out moves and expect results, he would have seen successful tournament play.

 

[Sly Bass]

Dodging most mids, let alone 99% of them is 100% false. Even standing straight mid punches will knock him off the ground.

Also, if you try rolling on the ground, you will get thrown. If Brad were THAT evasive who could just throw out moves and expect results, he would have seen successful tournament play.

If you don't like em, then use another character. No character is invincible. What you're lacking right now is a full knowledge of his move list and when to use certain moves. Hell, I've got almost 4,000 matches as Akira and I'm still making mistakes.

 

[Demoth]

If you don't like em, then use another character. No character is invincible. What you're lacking right now is a full knowledge of his move list and when to use certain moves. Hell, I've got almost 4,000 matches as Akira and I'm still making mistakes.

Been using Brad since 3, so there's no hope for me anymore. I'm too stubborn when I like a character.

I wasn't saying I don't like Brad, I was simply saying that the information being provided by the poster before you was false.

I also know I'm not exactly the best DOA player. I'm far from my S level days back in DOA 4. I see certain moves coming from miles away and just don't counter, or totally screw up timing.

My biggest complaint with Brad, and its been consistent through out all the games, is he's such an easy character to interrupt. Interrupting his moves always seems to send him airborn or bouncing, leading to massive juggles. I really don't see as many characters being straight knocked ok of their moves mid-combo like I see people do it to Brad players.

I'll stick with Brad and work on improvements, but I think anyone believing that Brad is some type of free-win BS character is playing a different game: again, I don't know of anyone who has ever successfully tournament played him other than ChosenOne who also used Hayate.

 

[Dave]

If you don't like em, then use another character. No character is invincible. What you're lacking right now is a full knowledge of his move list and when to use certain moves. Hell, I've got almost 4,000 matches as Akira and I'm still making mistakes.

Thiiiis. I use Sarah, and have been since Virtua Fighter 1. You would think I would have a better handling on her, but I really don't. It takes a while to know your characters entire move list and when to use certain moves, and not to mention I'm going against an entire cast of different fighters. I have about 200 more losses than wins, and I'm ok with that. OP, just keep on keeping on. Try to not only learn Brad's arsenal, but your opponents as well.

 

[Demoth]

By the way, would anyone like to add me to their 360 friend's list for some friendly matches?

Maybe I can get some better input as to why I feel I suck lately.

Also, my friend who mains Hayate now seems to absolutely blow me apart and knock me out of every move after the patch hit. He was also doing it to my brother who mains Hyabusa, and he was never able to so easily just poke him out of moves so easily.

Did the recent patch buff Hayate that much, or was he just getting lucky? I asked him if he was practicing more and he was like "no, I have no clue what's going on".

 

[Demoth]

Thiiiis. I use Sarah, and have been since Virtua Fighter 1. You would think I would have a better handling on her, but I really don't. It takes a while to know your characters entire move list and when to use certain moves, and not to mention I'm going against an entire cast of different fighters. I have about 200 more losses than wins, and I'm ok with that. OP, just keep on keeping on. Try to not only learn Brad's arsenal, but your opponents as well.

This is my biggest downfall, which is why I always preface what I say with "I'm not the best player", so people can take my views with a grain of salt. I feel like I have the ins and outs of Brad down since I've been maining him for 7 years, but it was only in the last few months that suddenly I feel that I'm being hit out of all my moves no matter what the frame data tells me.

Helena players drive me nuts because I can never hit them before I'm launched, they NEVER stop attacking and I can never counter their moves or feel like they end moves that allow me to throw punish.... but my knwoledge of Helena in DOA 5 is poor, so I don't want it to sound like a Helena QQ.

Kokoro is also confounding me because blocking can lead to mid-combo throws and wild mix-ups, but I'm sloooowly learning.

Hayate is driving me nuts now, however. He just hits like a MAC truck and has so many moves that interrupt attacks.... and when they interrupt, they chunk massive amounts of health.

 

[Sly Bass]

I've gone up against some good Brads in ranked lately. I'll save the replays (regardless if I win or lose) to hopefully get some good footage for you.

 

[Sam Sultan]

I just uploaded a video of myself using Brad Wong i have been using Brad Wong since DOA4 check it out(its in the media section of this website) it might give you some ideas. Brad Wong is a descent character although his evasiveness is the only thing going for him it can be used to compete with the rest of the cast. He is definitely not an easy character to use so make sure you know all of his moves and the properties and try to come up with a game plan also you are always welcome to ask for help if you want.