TakedaZX
Well-Known Member
Yea, 4F+K was pretty damn good. Hayabusa does lack a move as good. I mean he does have Ninpo PP_BT P+KP(but look how much work that already is.)That move puts him at back turned and -5 meaning he can back dash to safety, or throw a few different back turned moves. You also have option to spam it, if you free cancel it manually or with actually pressing free. Also for his mids, yeah they're unsafe but pulling out 4pp is a nice change up that they added. It's -5 as opposed to the mid punch and low punch counter parts that get worse as they go down(mid p -10, low p - 15, so the low p might as well be 2f+k since it's low grab punishable). You might need to buffer a throw break if you're playing a competent player though.
With string pressure, I see what you mean now. Unfortunately I'd have to disagree about 66P though. With higher leveled players the options are dwindled to low hold(or duck), and mid punch hold or block, which if you're seasoned against Hayate, won't be a problem. If 66PK was a Mid mid, it'd be better but as a mid high, it makes it tough. I still don't mind because I get the move to land all the time when I play as Hayate. 8k is my main mid kick launcher, with 33k, and 9k right behind.
3H+K was especially good in 4 cause you could delay each follow up. Hayabusa lacks in that area but the move has and the same movement that low crushes. It's got its perks which is why I compare them. Nothings guaranteed off of it but you can just keep going with it.
Scenario: Come in with 3H+K(+2), then move to 4PK(+9), then throw out a 66k(+6 and ninpo stance). 2kp and pp2kp are nice if you're just pressuring an opponent. This one is seeable for miles so sometimes you'll just have to let go a bit early. I think 6kp is still good, yea it's interrupt prone, but everything has been really nerfed crush wise, like eliot's 3P+K. if you forsee your opponent trying to interrupt there's always 6kk though. His ninpo guard breaks are really useless, though ninpo 8k ain't too bad. It's not pressure but it's only -4. Also 214p and WR KP put him at +2. That's not guard break pressure but for a sit down stun like that to give advantage is a nice thing, and last but not least I mean... come on... 4P+K is excellent whiff punishment material, and most of all, it usually hits if the person is too slow trying to mid punch hold. If they smarten up and block it, it's +23 fully charged so that means a free launch or begin on mixups. 3P+K, 6P+K, 8k, and 66k, 4k, are nice options, but you can get just about anything in his arsenal besides the izuna attack throw.
Hayate lacked any form of guard break pressure in DOA4. I'm compelled to say he had no more than one or two Now he's got like... 3, but he can get to that one elbow guard break from multiple strings and get it raw two different ways, one being a nice for baiting whiffs. Too bad they're only +1 which turns him into Kasumi for like one move...(hope you guys get that), but you'll probably want it to connect rather than be blocked.
But yea, checking the numbers again now, I was getting away with murder as Hayabusa earlier today. Up close he's no where near what he use to be without his 8k and i guess his old properties. But I mean come on, Hayate took a fall too. I don't think they should have, I agree that ninja's should beat grapplers, and though I do believe in game balance, I think it was a bad idea to put the grapplers above the ninja's by this big of a margin. I've still gotta work on figuring out Tina's 6pk into her air throw, then guaranteed ground grab. That's free damage, and its the same for any move from Bayman that slams you too the ground.There's no slow escaping or tech rolling any of that.
I know he's different but I think you can really apply some principles from Hayate play in 4 to him, he just lacks the moves like 66p.
