Lets talk about redesigns
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Xhominid The Demon Within
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Honestly, I'm getting tired of people saying the Japanese fanbase is irate, angry or explosive or anything of the sort to justify their position... and I say this because I've seen FAR more evidence that it would be exceedingly obvious if the Japanese fanbase is pissed or not because you can see in many instances that Japanese fanbases are FAR more vocal, FAR more hate driven and can be downright VICIOUS if they feel that the developers are just plain fucking up.
I can literally point to a multitude of things, one of the most ridiculous things is from FFXIV and the housing issues that come with that game. American players and mainly Western players wanted them to fix the shit. Japanese players? They wanted the man FIRED!
It's not even Japanese players but more of Asians in general but people don't seem to realize that Asians are pretty damn brutal in their own right and it's very obvious when they are being brutal.
This is why I don't see the Japanese fanbase being angry or irate or interest is at an all time low... because if it was, the changes would have came EVEN SOONER. They are probably perturbed at best and hope Marie Rose and Honoka come back and Team Ninja would have to be nimrods not to bring them back.
I just have to get that from my chest because between that, the same people getting angry because now Team Ninja's "realism" goal is now pointless(how!?) and thus should go all the way to placate them and then them saying interest is at an all time low(despite the streams, attendance and people watching the DOA invitational and even overall from seeing people on Youtube and otherwise liking what they see and hope for the best say otherwise) and now I have someone saying that Team Ninja is now rapidly changing things because they don't have enough development time to make the game(no shit... if someone can stomach going to GameFAQs, I'm legit arguing with someone who believes something like that), I honestly about had it and my faith in humanity is deepening to the negative thousands...
I can literally point to a multitude of things, one of the most ridiculous things is from FFXIV and the housing issues that come with that game. American players and mainly Western players wanted them to fix the shit. Japanese players? They wanted the man FIRED!
It's not even Japanese players but more of Asians in general but people don't seem to realize that Asians are pretty damn brutal in their own right and it's very obvious when they are being brutal.
This is why I don't see the Japanese fanbase being angry or irate or interest is at an all time low... because if it was, the changes would have came EVEN SOONER. They are probably perturbed at best and hope Marie Rose and Honoka come back and Team Ninja would have to be nimrods not to bring them back.
I just have to get that from my chest because between that, the same people getting angry because now Team Ninja's "realism" goal is now pointless(how!?) and thus should go all the way to placate them and then them saying interest is at an all time low(despite the streams, attendance and people watching the DOA invitational and even overall from seeing people on Youtube and otherwise liking what they see and hope for the best say otherwise) and now I have someone saying that Team Ninja is now rapidly changing things because they don't have enough development time to make the game(no shit... if someone can stomach going to GameFAQs, I'm legit arguing with someone who believes something like that), I honestly about had it and my faith in humanity is deepening to the negative thousands...
JJdude
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Eh, I feel no one is going to be happy regardless. If DOA6 tone the fanservice ridiculously down(or get rid of it) people are going to be upset about it. If they gave it huge amount of Fanservice, people are going to be upset about it. If they try to have a certain balance or be in between, people are going to be upset about it not being far more of one or the other.
Xhominid The Demon Within
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And this is why they should just do whatever they want at this point. They already have plenty of people with it including those who don't even want to play DOA. Might as well go in since they will have more chances to get those to play the game than those who would only buy it for... purposes since they will either fly to PC or just wait for someone to rip the models for... you know.
JJdude
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Welp, it's all about the sells and if a good amount of people keep playing. Or else it would end up like what happened with Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite. Sure, you have people who liked game for what it is, but didn't have enough to keep it going. Thus Capcom pretty much dumped it at this point.
I wonder if they will update Helena's model on the websites, once this change is official? And while they do not show the measurements for DoA6, they should probably come up with a different number for her upper bust since it's clearly not accurate anymore and she is not getting those boobs back either XD
TGS will probably calm anyone who is at least slightly reasonable down further… and I assume SCVI's actual release will help DoA6 as well. You can only look at Ivy's low poly, barely moving boobs for so long and pretend that's better than DoA6 XD
TGS will probably calm anyone who is at least slightly reasonable down further… and I assume SCVI's actual release will help DoA6 as well. You can only look at Ivy's low poly, barely moving boobs for so long and pretend that's better than DoA6 XD
They are actually high poly.
Ivy is the only character whose body they remodelled, probably because her body is her new costume, lol.Taki however could use a couple more polygons... :/
Some character models look laughably bad in front of the fairly nice backgrounds.
DOA6 characters, even if they have their flaws, are on a completely different quality level.
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What are you not sure about? This is the most noticeable instance of jiggle in her reveal trailer and they barely move… this is less than even Natural in DoA5 LR (the final swing causes no movement at all… I'm not even sure if they have physics, or just pre bake some movement in some animations)
They are actually high poly.
I guess… Ivy's look certainly better than Taki's… I still think that zoom in during Taki's CE is not a good idea, they basically highlight everything that looks bad lol
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Yes, that's so weird. In that moment you can literally count how many polygons Taki's breasts are made of. Bandai Namco just doesn't give a damn...
And the only really nice looking part, the backgrounds, they smear with vaseline so you can't even make them out.
Kasumi-Phase-X
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This is what happens when everyone has their own reasons why people enjoy DOA, and when Shimbori's direction is based on what other people said about DOA hence DOA6 current direction (until DLC).
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/doa6-famitsu-interviews-shimbori.7060/
You can't please everyone. DOA should only cater to the one demographic that gives companies reasons to release $100 Season Passes worth of costumes & characters, and only listens to people who care about the series to begin with (even when other people find DOA embarrassing). All DOA needs to do is offer the same content as previous games from costumes (both modest to overtop sex appeal) and optional breast physics. If the balance still upsets people, it would be better off just making a new franchise which if I was in Shimbori's shoes wanting to appeal to ones who didn't like girls being too sexy I would just make a new franchise.
How would SCVI release help DOA6 in anyway?
Jadeinchains
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Oh cool that was out of no where, I thought Helena looked fine before but I do actually like these changes and personally I'm happy to finally see jiggle physics added.
Plus hopefully those people that wouldn't stop complaining will finally stop now.
And absolutely agreed @Xhominid The Demon Within a lot of these people act the exact same way as SJW's ironically, -
( Whining and being offended over a product they aren't a fan of and never planned to buy anyway and even once they get what they asked for say it's not good enough and they hope it fails cause they're just so offended. )
( And lol they're delusional with the "with interest at an all time low" ...never mind that It's been hyped by loads of people and winning awards at every event it's at. )
but whatever It's just great to see that the jiggle physics have been added ( like they said they would. ) they look great and so do the changes to Helena. That really came out of nowhere though, I was expecting something like this at TGS but cool that we saw it earlier than expected.
Plus hopefully those people that wouldn't stop complaining will finally stop now.
And absolutely agreed @Xhominid The Demon Within a lot of these people act the exact same way as SJW's ironically, -
( Whining and being offended over a product they aren't a fan of and never planned to buy anyway and even once they get what they asked for say it's not good enough and they hope it fails cause they're just so offended. )
( And lol they're delusional with the "with interest at an all time low" ...never mind that It's been hyped by loads of people and winning awards at every event it's at.
)but whatever It's just great to see that the jiggle physics have been added ( like they said they would.
) they look great and so do the changes to Helena. That really came out of nowhere though, I was expecting something like this at TGS but cool that we saw it earlier than expected.
Xhominid The Demon Within
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Again, catering to a specific niche never does a company any good, they actually want to EXPAND. Even Capcom tried this with SFV and the reason that failed was due to their rush to claim the E-Sports fame well before making sure their game is complete.
No one or anyone has stated that they are removing your fanservice, all they said was it was going to take a backseat to the game at large, a reaction that had an EQUAL IF NOT GREATER amount of people for it than against it. No one have any issues with the costumes and the bikinis... except for the sheer volume with NO VARIETY. I've seen more people get tired of being deluged by the same fetish outfits even in games outside of DOA like SFV, the issue is simply the fact that they focused on the fanservice for DOA5, especially for Last Round to the detriment of the fighting engine(no seriously, when your vast amount of marketing is SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SOFT ENGINE AND THE BREAST BOUNCE, you done fucked up). Don't tell me that's how they should pander for DOA, that's freaking stupid.
And I say that as a person who likes cheesecake, there's a such thing as too much... and DOA5 had TOO MUCH CHEESECAKE, thus it loses it's substance, flavor and became stale.
Hayabusiness
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Now, in this post, I'm referring to the ranting twitter types, not anyone who would like to see more fanservice in DOA6. I have seen level headed fanservice people and we know many of us like sexy stuff in DOA.
That said, onto the anti-SJWs...
Even if the game revealed Honoka and two new characters who are just Honoka with different colored hair and two more cup sizes, they'd still be angry at a lot of it because they perceive TN's art direction changes as catering to SJWs, their most sworn enemies who they are very obsessed with (after all forums like ResetERA pretty much exist in their own bubble, outside of anti-SJW and /v/ memers who take caps of their most whiny, outlandish posts).
They perceive it as their hobby being invaded and stolen by soyboys, women, whacky SJWs and ~unfun competitives~ who will ruin everything they love.
To them, DOA6 is doomed from the start and can't be fixed unless TN does a full 160° turn and brings back the levels of fanservice we got with DOA5U/LR, and maybe also makes you pay 20$ for a crappy X2 gravure slapped onto a DOA6 model.
There is no middle ground, like the series has previously proved to achieve, because to them there is none; the previous DOA fighting games being on an average level of fanservice don't count, because that would be regressing to something worse, to them.
DOAX2 (and DOAX), DOA5 DLC, DOAX3 and VV all "evolved" the series, are seen as the standard and are begged for. If Kasumi and Ayane don't fight in dental floss then it's not DOA to them. If Marie Rose doesn't flash her underage ass then it's TN being soyboy cucks who don't dare to dream.
TN is now reaping what they sow and the stigma will never go away purely on a fandom basis.
You can bet your ass the VV girls will arrive along with Zack island in that DOA6U. An oppai loli will come in dental floss, and then TN will be based again.
And if you don't like any of it? Then you are a SJW who doesn't like and doesn't care about the game. What? You don't want DOA to be too fanservice? You want something more average like 2, 3 and 4? Well that's too bad, you're not a real fan and your thoughts should not be considered. You don't belong here.
There is no middle ground anymore in the land of videogames.
That said, onto the anti-SJWs...
Even if the game revealed Honoka and two new characters who are just Honoka with different colored hair and two more cup sizes, they'd still be angry at a lot of it because they perceive TN's art direction changes as catering to SJWs, their most sworn enemies who they are very obsessed with (after all forums like ResetERA pretty much exist in their own bubble, outside of anti-SJW and /v/ memers who take caps of their most whiny, outlandish posts).
They perceive it as their hobby being invaded and stolen by soyboys, women, whacky SJWs and ~unfun competitives~ who will ruin everything they love.
To them, DOA6 is doomed from the start and can't be fixed unless TN does a full 160° turn and brings back the levels of fanservice we got with DOA5U/LR, and maybe also makes you pay 20$ for a crappy X2 gravure slapped onto a DOA6 model.
There is no middle ground, like the series has previously proved to achieve, because to them there is none; the previous DOA fighting games being on an average level of fanservice don't count, because that would be regressing to something worse, to them.
DOAX2 (and DOAX), DOA5 DLC, DOAX3 and VV all "evolved" the series, are seen as the standard and are begged for. If Kasumi and Ayane don't fight in dental floss then it's not DOA to them. If Marie Rose doesn't flash her underage ass then it's TN being soyboy cucks who don't dare to dream.
TN is now reaping what they sow and the stigma will never go away purely on a fandom basis.
You can bet your ass the VV girls will arrive along with Zack island in that DOA6U. An oppai loli will come in dental floss, and then TN will be based again.
And if you don't like any of it? Then you are a SJW who doesn't like and doesn't care about the game. What? You don't want DOA to be too fanservice? You want something more average like 2, 3 and 4? Well that's too bad, you're not a real fan and your thoughts should not be considered. You don't belong here.
There is no middle ground anymore in the land of videogames.
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TN does a really good job on the stages, the stages look very developed and the interactions with the stage make the game more interesting. Tekken could really learn from this.IGN did a good interview, asking the right questions and staying the hell away from that fanservice question, lol. Well, they were the ones blowing it up so much on E3 afterall.
I really like the stage. A more imaginative and fun DOA is back.
I'm hoping to see one of the big, expansive stages, like forest or a Zack island, next.
Oh they’re going at it again? Idk why these annoying rats are still relevant, all they do is spam, honestly. They will never be satisfied and we all know that they will buy DOA6 because they’re gonna make ryona videos and such.
So now we go from breast jiggle to ass jiggle? It kinda seems unrealistic for a fighting game. I don’t get why everything has to be jiggly, if we got ass and breast jiggle I wonder what’s next, foot jiggle for the casual foot fetish lover?Finally now those freaks on Twitter can be quiet xD I'm over breast physics myself tbh, Idk if it's because I'm 20 now but boob physics don't really impress me, ass physics are where its at tbh. But hopefully this will give those people on twitters a bone to make them behave. Helena's cleavage also looks much better too from that video I've seen on my TL
DOA is fine the way it is, it honestly do not need any more jiggle.
DOA honestly do not need over the top sexual costumes it’s a fighting game, I get the idea that people forget that it is a fighting game and not a softcore porn game for the regular masochists and BDSM lovers. The girls can be sexy without it being over the top.
As much as I hate to say it, it’s true. People these days are never satisfied with anything, when they don’t get what they want they just start spamming the game devs social media pages with their nonsense. I wish people would just let go of their sick fetishes when it comes to games. I think the game devs of these days give fans too much saying in the games they’re creating. A character having smaller boobs? Just grow up and let it be, it isn’t a game breaker wether the boobs are the same size or not.
Sotherius
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Breasts Physics were never going away anyways, so people seeing this as a big change shows how they are uninformed.
I just hope TN doesn't pull back down totally from their current direction and starts selling those DOA X3 shit, doa doesn't need that kind of fanservice, and the people that only plays for that kind of content could go away anyways, they're not fans, they don't like the series, the characters or the fighting.
I just hope TN doesn't pull back down totally from their current direction and starts selling those DOA X3 shit, doa doesn't need that kind of fanservice, and the people that only plays for that kind of content could go away anyways, they're not fans, they don't like the series, the characters or the fighting.
prototypetom
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@Xhominid The Demon Within is killing it, I don't have to do any typing at all
Truth
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they have more personality than the original
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