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He's still too adamant on keeping DOA a guessing game it seems though. Hopefully I'm misinterpreting.
I don't mind the guessing game, but it's a one button guessing game. It requires so little input and effort it's fascinating.
INCOMING ATTACK BEEP BOOP HOLDHOLDHOLDHOLDHOLDHOLD >Inflicted +60 damage > You win
Even Bloody Roar had you put in some effort after guessing a mix-up and those games were shit around mid-200Xs.
INCOMING ATTACK BEEP BOOP HOLDHOLDHOLDHOLDHOLDHOLD >Inflicted +60 damage > You win
Even Bloody Roar had you put in some effort after guessing a mix-up and those games were shit around mid-200Xs.
Black Dragon
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Any way to get him clarify what he means?
Rikuto
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So basically, he's saying "yo dawg, it's cool. i've got charts."
But no, no it is not...
It doesn't matter if a person is at a disadvantage for spamming 3 point holds often. Someone only has to do it once to piss me off.
It's too easy and gets you out of too much. The damage is an afterthought to the abomination. If he actually required a math simulator to tell him that over time it was disadvantageous to spam a counter, the counter is too good.
As to the hinting of possible 4 point usage, it's better, but it still doesn't fix the real problem. And what does he mean by slightly less damage? slightly less than the damage we have in the alpha build now? or slightly less than the damage we had in DOA 4?
But no, no it is not...
It doesn't matter if a person is at a disadvantage for spamming 3 point holds often. Someone only has to do it once to piss me off.
It's too easy and gets you out of too much. The damage is an afterthought to the abomination. If he actually required a math simulator to tell him that over time it was disadvantageous to spam a counter, the counter is too good.
As to the hinting of possible 4 point usage, it's better, but it still doesn't fix the real problem. And what does he mean by slightly less damage? slightly less than the damage we have in the alpha build now? or slightly less than the damage we had in DOA 4?
x Sypher x
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What if, in addition to removing holds from stun, they integrated a meter system for holds? Basically you can only hold when the meter is full, and the meter will refill after say...3 seconds? During that interval you will have to commit to blocking and/or spacing until you're able to hold again. Bam, no more spamming. I'm not sure if this idea was suggested already but I'm just throwing it out there.
Rikuto
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Just shorten the active window, and kill it from stun. That's all that needs to happen.
If you added any other kind of meter mechanic into the game it would need a lot more time to be thoroughly developed. Time which, unfortunately, is no longer on our side. Because honestly, if you've got meter that refills in 3 seconds, why would you even bother showing a meter? It'll just sit there and be full 99% of the time.
If you added any other kind of meter mechanic into the game it would need a lot more time to be thoroughly developed. Time which, unfortunately, is no longer on our side. Because honestly, if you've got meter that refills in 3 seconds, why would you even bother showing a meter? It'll just sit there and be full 99% of the time.
[DS] After rigorous scientific testing I came to the conclusion that...
nope, it doesn't need any change to it whatsoever. Except for the damage...I guess.
So, decreasing damage on normal holds seems logical. I mean, it's not like anyone except me in the office plays the game, so I just had to go back to basic game theory and theory crafting.
I hope you'll enjoy using this in tournaments and appreciate my vision.
nope, it doesn't need any change to it whatsoever. Except for the damage...I guess.
So, decreasing damage on normal holds seems logical. I mean, it's not like anyone except me in the office plays the game, so I just had to go back to basic game theory and theory crafting.
I hope you'll enjoy using this in tournaments and appreciate my vision.
x Sypher x
Active Member
You make it sound so simple lol, but I guess it is anyway. Shorten active windows and increase recovery right? That's what I've heard. It would be interesting to see how the role of holds would play out while being excluded from stun. I guess it would be somewhat similar to reversals in VF.
I forgot about that, good point.
DrDogg
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Every other competitive fighting game known to man does not allow the defending player to inflict damage on the offensive player during a stun. So look at pretty much ANY other fighting game which is more widely accepted in tournaments than DOA, and that's what it would be like.
On a side note, Tekken Tag 2 is using the SC5 netcode. Team Ninja needs to just pay Namco to let them use it for DOA5 as well. Please...
HokutoNoBen
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It's a good sign, but I'm still going to play the "wait and see" approach. TTT2 stand to have a LOT more data to trade back and forth, so it'll be a real test of the "SCV netcode" to see if it can truly be engineered to handle it all.
DrDogg
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TTT2 has 1v1 mode which is pretty much identical to SC5. Even if it lags a bit in 2v2, it'll be 10x better than DOA4 or Tekken 6 netcode.
Google Translation:
Allan Paris
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That's a very long arcade stick. Nice. FSD!
Gill Hustle
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Allan Paris
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Yeah, you're right, the missing start button is doing it.
Official translation's up: