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Helena's needed improvements

Riizch

Riizch

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I know you can't say too much about the game's current state, DrDogg, but are you able to tell us if there is any realistic chance of her being buffed/balanced in time for release, or are we going to be hoping for a post-release patch..?
 
DrDogg

DrDogg

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Riizch said:
I know you can't say too much about the game's current state, DrDogg, but are you able to tell us if there is any realistic chance of her being buffed/balanced in time for release, or are we going to be hoping for a post-release patch..?
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I would be shocked if she changed at all before release.
 
MasterHavik

MasterHavik

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Helena's buff: Give her that gun she uses as a projectile and have it be uses as a way to cancel out of her stings to safety. :D

Anyways I hope they just make her BT game better.
 
TRI Mike

TRI Mike

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Yes. I'm not gonna spend thousands of dollars traveling only to get my ass kicked because TN decided to destroy a character that was supposed to be my main. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll be "tier whoring". She's simply not viable.
 
Pupi18

Pupi18

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TRI Mike said:
Yes. I'm not gonna spend thousands of dollars traveling only to get my ass kicked because TN decided to destroy a character that was supposed to be my main. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll be "tier whoring". She's simply not viable.
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TRI Mike

TRI Mike

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Dude, I'm pretty sure I'm more heart broken than anyone here to have to say it. But I'm from Latin America. I'm willing to save money and travel to the USA and Europe for this game because I simply love it. I'm sure I won't ever win tournaments no matter who I use but I'd like decent placements. If I get my ass kicked I want it to be because my opponent was better than me playing the game, not because my character simply didn't have tools enough to win.

I'm not saying I won't use Hele. In fact, I'm going to be breaking her down the first weeks and trying to find ways to make her useful. Who knows¿ Something might happen that makes her good, whether a new mechanic like in DOA4 or a buff to her via patch or whatever. But I don't see it happening.
 
Zeo

Zeo

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DrDogg said:
She has one CB, it's 7P. All of her sit-down stuns are mid punches and her CB is a mid punch. So yes, Helena is forced to play the stun game and basically mix-up between mid punches and BKO throw. If this were DOA4, I wouldn't have a huge issue, but when you compare her to basically every other character in the game, her tools are far weaker and she has a difficult time using any of the new DOA5 features aside from the sidestep system.
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So basically.... mash mid punch counter and she'll never get a CB combo then?
 
DrDogg

DrDogg

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Zeo said:
So basically.... mash mid punch counter and she'll never get a CB combo then?
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Her sit down stuns don't really matter. If you're good at slow escaping she can't get a launcher or a CB anyway off of them anyway. She has no way to get an unholdable launcher or CB at all... unless the opponent just doesn't know what they're doing.
 
Zeo

Zeo

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That sounds horrible, I'm not even a Helena fan or player, but I'm seriously hoping there's some hidden tech you haven't discovered for her that someone else finds out about when the game comes out. As it stands I think it's no question that she's bottom tier. Scratch that, Helena tier...
 
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Dravidian

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Zeo said:
As it stands I think it's no question that she's bottom tier. Scratch that, Helena tier...
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That just sounds depressing.

In any case, based off of what DrDogg and BlackMamba have written, it sounds like she's a projectileless zoner (I know it sounds weird). But the way her moves have different effects at different ranges just means that she uses different sets of tools at different ranges for different situations. Hopefully we just need godlike spacing to make her really good, but....you guys are making this look hopeless -_-
 
UnD34D

UnD34D

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Pupi18 said:
You Salty
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How would it make him salty? I hate people just throwing terms like trolling and salty around. It gets old. He's not salty, he's just smart. If you're a competitive player, you play who you like, sure, but I'm sorry, top players don't play bottom tier characters. I'm sure someone will cite something dumb like Chosen1, but I'm not impressed by him.
 
Omegan Eckhart

Omegan Eckhart

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DrDogg said:
She has one CB, it's 7P. All of her sit-down stuns are mid punches and her CB is a mid punch. So yes, Helena is forced to play the stun game and basically mix-up between mid punches and BKO throw. If this were DOA4, I wouldn't have a huge issue, but when you compare her to basically every other character in the game, her tools are far weaker and she has a difficult time using any of the new DOA5 features aside from the sidestep system.
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Isn't 7P like 40 something frames?
 
Conun

Conun

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Allan Paris said:
Something about them blondes tho......
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Just gotta use your imagination like Leon fans have to do for Bayman.(Not even possible with Leon being man that loves to crush thing and Bayman is man of regret and no longer has head gear.)

Pai plays just as good as a replacement to Helena as people see Bayman for Leon , If I have to say so for myself.
 
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