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At least she got more safe moves, there are loads of moves I could punish in DOA4 that are like -2 now.

Unfortunately nerfing holds also created larger gaps between characters seeing as the counter system cannot be counted on to balance out the roster. I hope they create better balance with the patch, I'm sick of seeing everyone using the same character at tournaments. Street Fighter game play is...

Congratulations to one of the 400 Jann Lee players in advance.

Helena vs Gen Fu is not 4 - 6. He trashes her in every way. His pokes 6P and P are faster than hers, he does more damage and he's safer. Fun fact for Helena players, block Gen Fu's 3KPP and try to crush the guard crushing high punch at the end with P+K. The result is actually pretty disturbing...

The game isn't balanced, compare someone like Jann Lee to Helena and you will see a drastic difference. I like their approach though, instead of nerfing the strong characters they are going to improve the weak ones. Although I'd like to see Jann Lee be a little bit harder to use. Right now he...

Just do 2P when you block it. 2P is guaranteed to land if you have a 12 frame low, which Kasumi does. Your welcome.

Because Gen Fu completely wipes the floor with her. He has a faster jab, faster mid's, higher damage, more safe moves, better crushes, better stun game and his mid parry eliminates 99% of her move list. It was this way in DOA4 too, unfortunately Helena got universally nerfed and Gen Fu didn't so...

236P+K is useless against airborne opponents. Even when used right after a CB launch it only hits once, and that once is whilst they are high up. It looks weird and is totally useless. Sorry dude.

If that is the case then you probably don't play people who are anything other than hardcore casual players. If you don't know anything about frames you won't know how to make the most of your sit down stuns, or how many of those un-counterable frames you lose when people slow escape, changing...

I'm all for this, I just don't see them being able to buff every character up to Jann Lee's level. There is just too many characters that lack the tools he has.

No your right you can counter after his 6F+K, my mistake. I'd still like it if his 66K was the only guaranteed move from his 66F+P though.

In regards to sparring I have gone in and tested this, put the AI on fastest stagger escape into block and 6F+K lands every time from his 66F+P. You have to inch slightly forward before you do the kick but it works every single time I do it. Now if I am missing something here please tell me, and...

I would be okay with Jann Lee having his OH if the only thing he got guaranteed off of it was 66K. The fact that he can gets an unholdable stun from which guarantees another unholdable stun from which guarantees another move is stupid. It is a move that is way too easy to just throw out with no...

6PP is guaranteed.

I think Jann Lee's fastest mid punch should be 12 or 13 frames. He has godly ranged pokes and his dragon gunner to open people up, why should he have an 11 frame mid punch too? He's too much of an all round character which makes no sense seeing as jack of all trades characters are not meant to...

This true, even Helena's BKO grab force tech in DOA4 required some kind of guess work and that thing was god like.

I think keep the OH and just heavily increase the whiff recovery. I think the fact that it's an OH is BS too btw but we appear to be in the minority.

Beating OH's with throws is highly impractical. You can do it if people get really predictable, (I like waiting for Bayman players to try and loop their wall OH then BAM! Helena does her 4F+P and THEY eat the wall!) but more often than not you will probably eat a HC combo when trying it.

I'd like to see all characters buffed to Jann Lee's level but I just don't see that happening. The likely solution will be to nerf characters like Jann instead.

In regards to what you refer to as Mamba's force tech's if you are finding it useless then you cannot read your opponent and that is your fault, sorry but that is simply the truth. If they are teching then you apply pressure as soon as they get up if they are not teching then you force tech them...