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Shinigamimatt
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Why didn't you touch on his amazing spacing? He can Bruce Lee swag backwards all day.
Shinigamimatt
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I don't know. I've never had trouble with staying with busa. I've played high level Jann that are scary to run after. It turns into a chase where I have to run through the whole level just it try and punch him.
Shinigamimatt
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He's got some solid defense. I don't know if he's OP, but he's certain high tier.
RuNNing Riot
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Isn't Bass' :2 
+k unblockable as well? Or is that only in DOA4?
+k unblockable as well? Or is that only in DOA4?
This is difficult to answer as a general DOA question.
If you could ask about a specific game it would make it easier as it's relative to the other characters and game system.
I think he was his most powerful in DOA3.1/3.2 though. Honestly, if not #1 then #2. He had great pressure tools, could string into the pressure from itself with the mixup of a jab or mid string, could get someone to a wall easily, and had tons of wall pressure game with juggle damage.
Yeah, I still think he and gen fu were the top in 3.1/3.2.
That is also an unblockable move.
If you could ask about a specific game it would make it easier as it's relative to the other characters and game system.
I think he was his most powerful in DOA3.1/3.2 though. Honestly, if not #1 then #2. He had great pressure tools, could string into the pressure from itself with the mixup of a jab or mid string, could get someone to a wall easily, and had tons of wall pressure game with juggle damage.
Yeah, I still think he and gen fu were the top in 3.1/3.2.
Isn't Bass' :2
That is also an unblockable move.
RuNNing Riot
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The only game where I was sure it was unblockable was 4, I just wanted some clarification on whether it was the case anywhere else, thanks for that. Too bad it's still a shitty move, though.
Outside of DOA4, all I know about Jann Lee is from DOA3.1 and he had some silly frame advantage from 4pk (like +4), and he had a guaranteed 66k from Dragon Gunner. That sounds quite tame compared to some of the stuff Bass can do from that game, for example. I know that he's still considered top tier for sure there. In DOAOL I've yet to face many decent Jann Lees to get a good picture because the general capability of people there is depressingly low. That's what I can tell you from my limited experience.
The only game where I was sure it was unblockable was 4, I just wanted some clarification on whether it was the case anywhere else, thanks for that. Too bad it's still a shitty move, though.
Outside of DOA4, all I know about Jann Lee is from DOA3.1 and he had some silly frame advantage from 4pk (like +4), and he had a guaranteed 66k from Dragon Gunner. That sounds quite tame compared to some of the stuff Bass can do from that game, for example. I know that he's still considered top tier for sure there. In DOAOL I've yet to face many decent Jann Lees to get a good picture because the general capability of people there is depressingly low. That's what I can tell you from my limited experience.
It was 6PK and was +1, so was P2PK, and 66K.
Bass would lose to Jann Lee as JL has more options available to him. Bass only does good against punishment opportunities - something Jann Lee rarely allowed to happen. I've said this before but here's what my suggested tier list is for 3.1/3.2:
S-class Gen Fu, Jann Lee
A-class Hayate, Hayabusa, Ayane, and Bass
B-class Everyone else
C-class Brad Wong
Even with those, it's very possible for a B-class to beat an A or S-class enemy due to the general tools they had, it's just the higher tiers could dish out a little more damage.
d3v
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Yun was tournament legal in AE. The only time a character is truly overpowered is when they're banned, like SSF2 Akuma.
Shinigamimatt
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I don't know SF since I hate it, but M. Bison seemed so OP when I saw him, so Akuma must have been stupid to get banned.
Shinigamimatt
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ouch. He was eventually fixed then? At least to top tier.
PhoenixVFIRE
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I chose "You're retarded, please go fuck yourself with a cactus." for shits and giggles LOL.
Were there any characters in DOA4 that were banned from tournaments? I think I heard Tengu and Spartan were, but I'm not completely sure. I can't play Jann Lee to save my life, he's one of my worst characters, but it sounds like he was very good in those games
Were there any characters in DOA4 that were banned from tournaments? I think I heard Tengu and Spartan were, but I'm not completely sure. I can't play Jann Lee to save my life, he's one of my worst characters, but it sounds like he was very good in those games
Rikuto
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In later games? Certainly.
Unless of course you count Shin Akuma.
I chose "You're retarded, please go fuck yourself with a cactus." for shits and giggles LOL.
Were there any characters in DOA4 that were banned from tournaments? I think I heard Tengu and Spartan were, but I'm not completely sure. I can't play Jann Lee to save my life, he's one of my worst characters, but it sounds like he was very good in those games
Tengu was banned from WCG/CGS due to complete ignorance and a failure to communicate with the players. Spartan was banned from CGS due to potential copyright issues.
Neither of these bans had anything to do with tier status.
Shinigamimatt
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Wait, were Tengu and Spartan banned? The only good tengu I know is Subway. I didn't even know you could play Tengu good before that.
@Rikuto: Shin Akuma? Nah. I'm not very up to date with SF. Being bad at it, I can only watch and assume it's very spam-y. I played Turbo on 360, and fought an M. Bison who torpedo-ed the whole time.
I tried blocking and Haduken, but nothing worked.
Fought a Ken who only spammed haduken and uppercut. I'm so bad I didn't even know how to avoid that stuff.
But I did know whenever a player was considered bad and cheap it was because they were an Akuma player.
@Rikuto: Shin Akuma? Nah. I'm not very up to date with SF. Being bad at it, I can only watch and assume it's very spam-y. I played Turbo on 360, and fought an M. Bison who torpedo-ed the whole time.
I tried blocking and Haduken, but nothing worked.
Fought a Ken who only spammed haduken and uppercut. I'm so bad I didn't even know how to avoid that stuff.
But I did know whenever a player was considered bad and cheap it was because they were an Akuma player.
There were no updates to SF2 after his introduction... well unless you count HD Remix where they tried balancing him but he was still broken.
Just because a character is top tier, doesn't make them overpowered. However, an overpowered character suggest they have more power than the average character, meaning they would be top tier. That is, unless all the characters would be considered 'overpowered', in which case the system has made them all balanced.
d3v
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Akuma's air fireball introduced setups that none of the regular cast were designed to deal with. As Wah said, they broke the system. The later games in which he appeared in didn't have this problem since their systems took this into account. That, and they turned him into a glass cannon with less health than most of the cast.
For an example from a 3D game, think Ogre in Tekken 3, thanks to his powerful 12 frame unbreakable Waning Moon throw with guaranteed follow ups and numerous unblockables. Then there's Tekken 5 Steve with a guaranteed easy infinite in a game not designed to handle them. That is on top of already being a top tier character.
On a related note, I'd consider giving some Soul Calibur examples, but their community is so ban happy it's hard to tell what's truly broken and what's simply the flavor of the month.
Also, Turbo is more known for being a touch of death game.
For an example from a 3D game, think Ogre in Tekken 3, thanks to his powerful 12 frame unbreakable Waning Moon throw with guaranteed follow ups and numerous unblockables. Then there's Tekken 5 Steve with a guaranteed easy infinite in a game not designed to handle them. That is on top of already being a top tier character.
On a related note, I'd consider giving some Soul Calibur examples, but their community is so ban happy it's hard to tell what's truly broken and what's simply the flavor of the month.
Of all the SF games, the 2 series is still the one that emphasizes space control and footsies more than flash and combos. It's also the one that the most demanding in terms of match up knowledge from a series that's already known to be very demanding in terms of match up knowledge.
Also, Turbo is more known for being a touch of death game.