Pai's +46 Bounce Setups

Codemaster92163

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To start off with, a +46 bounce refers to the situation in which Pai gets a higher bounce from her :4::6::H+K: bounce, coincidentally totalling +46 frame advantage when tested on the computer as opposed to the usual +44. 2 frames may not seem like much, but it can equal a noticeable difference in both damage and combo variety. Listed below are most launches and how to (almost) always achieve a +46 bounce. For brevity's sake, here's a quick list of abbreviations for those that may be unfamiliar with them.

Clvl1 = Critical level 1. This is the lowest crit level and results in the lowest launch.
Clvl2 = Critical Level 2. This is the middle crit level, resulting in an average launch.
Clvl3 = Critical level 3. This is the highest crit level, resulting in the highest launch.
SDS = Sit down stun. These come from both :P+K: and :6::6::H+K: and help to increase launch height.
NH = Normal hit. This is indicated by a lack of notification for the other two hit types.
CH = Counter hit. Displayed on screen. Occurs when hitting an opponent as they attempt to hit you or sidestep, and while throwing a sidestepping opponent.
HCH = High counter hit. Displayed on screen. Occurs when hitting opponent when they throw or jump, and while throwing a countering opponent.
BT = Back turned. These are moves that are exclusive to Pai having her back facing the opponent
BS = Back Strike. Certain moves gain special properties when hitting an opponents back.
BKT = Bokutai. This is one of Pai's special stances. Check command list for how to enter it.
HKS = Hakkeshou. This is one of Pai's special stances. Check command list for how to enter it.
__ = Hold. These underscores signal for the player to hold down the input that preceeded it. In :3::P::K:__ , hold :K:.


IMPORTANT NOTES
Sit down stuns boost the launch height by one Clvl. This means that a launch used after a SDS in Clvl1 is equivalent to the same launch used in a normal Clvl2 combo. Because these launches share similar heights with the next higher Clvl, it only produces unique combos when used in Clvl 3, where the player reaches the launch height of what would otherwise be Clvl4, a nonexistent critical state.

And to clarify beforehand, combos involving the :3::P::K:__ and :3::P::P::6::P: launches must have the final hit connect when the opponent is in the proper Clvl. For example, combos mentioned using it in Clv3 must have the Critical Damage display in training be red and at Clvl3 BEFORE the final hit lands.


Alpha 152

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:1::P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:
- - - Clvl2 combos- - -

:3::P::P::6::P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BT :4::K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::3::P+K: > :6::4::P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:
- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

BT :4::K: > :P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::3::P+K: > :3::H+K: : > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: : > :3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::P::K:__ > :9::K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::H+K: > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:


Super Lightweights

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl2 combos- - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:3::H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::P::K:__ > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::P::P::6::P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :9::K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BT :4::K: > :4::6::H+K:

:1::P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BT :4::K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:


Lightweights

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl2 combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:3::H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::P::K:__ > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :9::K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:1::P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BT :4::K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:


Welterweights

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl2 combos - - -

:1::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:1::P: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::P::K:__ > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :9::K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

BT :4::K: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:


Midweights

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl2 combos - - -

:1::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:3::H+K: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

:3::H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:


Helena

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl2 combos - - -

:1::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

:6::H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

None


Gen Fu

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

:3::P::K:__ > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl2 combos - - -

:1::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

BKT :H+K: > :6::4::P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

:3::H+K: > :4::6::H+K: (+45)


Super Heavyweights

- - - Clvl1 combos - - -

None

- - - Clvl2 combos - - -

None

- - - Clvl3 combos - - -

:3::3::P+K: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

- - - Clvl3 + SDS combos - - -

None


All weights except for Alpha 152 and Super Heavyweights

BS HKS :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K:

Double Bounce Setups
A double bounce is the ability to use a second :4::6::H+K: after the initial :4::6::H+K:. resulting in the eponymous double bounce. Double bounce setups require unique situations to work in tandem in order for it to be possible. In some cases, all circumstances must be met, though in others, only a few are necessary. These are.

1.) The initial :4::6::H+K: bounce waas a +46 bounce.
2.) The player is in the appropriate stance, either opened (back facing camera) or closed (chest facing camera) stance.
3.) The player must be close enough to the opponent for the second :4::6::H+K: to connect, though not too close. The player must be in a sweet spot, so to speak.

For most of these setups, we've come up with ways to get the double bounce most of the time. On certain setups, it's completely guaranteed without fail so long as you're on a flat surface. On others, you may have to adjust certain moves in order to account for the new parameters, whether they were altered by the opponent holding, SE too slowly/quickly, etc. To start, I shall provide several guaranteed double bounce setups which shall always work so long as you input the moves correctly and quickly and are not countered in the process. This list will constantly be updated as new setups are found and as I find more time.

Super Lightweights and Lightweights

:2::4::H+P: > :3::3::P+K: > :6:__:P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K: > :4::6::H+K: > :P: > :P: > :P::P::P::7::K:

Low kick hold > :3::3::P+K: > :6:__:P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K: > :4::6::H+K: > :P: > :P: > :P: > :3::3::P::K:

Mid kick hold > :P+K: :3::3::P+K: > :P: > :P: > :4::6::H+K: > :4::6::H+K: > :P: > :P: > :P: > :3::3::P::K:

Mid punch hold (CH and HCH) > :6:_:P: > :P+K: > :3::3::P+K: > :6:_P:: > :6:_:P: > :4::6::H+K: > :4::6::H+K: > :P: > :P: > :P: > :3::3::P::K:


 
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Codemaster92163

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Keep in mind this list is still a work in progress. There's more setups we know about that I can add, but I can only do so much in one day xD I'll add more either later tonight or another day, but these should suffice for now.
 

Timasty

Well-Known Member
Excellent job!!

These were the only ones I could find; 66KP +46 FA

Alpha: Cr. Lvl 3 66KP 9K P P 46H+K
Superlight - Welter: Cr. Lvl 1 66KP P 46H+K


I do know you're not done yet, but I'll still add a few stuff for Alpha:

Alpha:
Cr. Lvl x 9K 9K P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 3PP6P P P P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 1P 9K P P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 1P P 64P P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 K P P P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 3-K P P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 SDS 3-K P P P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 SDS 2_3P+K 6P+K P 46H+K
Cr. Lvl 3 low hold Bok PK P P 46H+K... (don't ask)
There're too many possibilities with Alpha... just pick the best ones lol



And maybe add the +45FA at Welter Cr. Lvl 3 SDS [BT]4K 46H+K.
I sometimes get a +44FA with the combo 1P P P 46H+K against Superlightweight characters.
 

Timasty

Well-Known Member
We have some really good double 46H+K combos against lightweight and medweight characters. So here's one for the heavier characters.
Useful setup against Cruiser - Superheavyweight characters:

44KK 4P 64P/9K P+K 2_3P+K P P 46H+K 46H+K 6_P P P 33PK (Dmg: 29 + 108 / CH 36 + 108 / HCH 43 + 108)
44KK 4P 64P/9K P+K 2_3P+K 6_P 46H+K 46H+K P P P 33PK (Dmg: 29 + 104 / CH 36 + 104 / HCH 43 + 104)
(Dmg calculated if used 64P)

It's always a closed stance after the 44KK 4P, so that's pretty useful.
 

tekkin88

Member
Here's a double bounce setup I found for midweights:
(HCH):2::4_::H+P: ~ :6::6::P: ~:6::6::P: ~ :1::P: ~ :P: ~ :4::6::H+K: ~ :4::6::H+K: ~ :P: ~ :P: ~ :P: ~ :3::3::P::K:
It can also work on welterweights if you change the first :P: after launch to :6_::P:
 

Timasty

Well-Known Member
Another double bounce setup for Supelright- / Lightweight characters at a HCH:

:2_::4::H+P: :4::6::K: :6::6::P: :2_::3::P+K: :P: :P: :4::6::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :P: :P: :P: :3::3::P::K: (Dmg: 129 ; 1 guess CB setup ; not SE-able)

A good amount of damage for just a single guess CB setup.
 

Timasty

Well-Known Member
Here two more 12/28 Cr. dmg possibilities such as her 2_4T 66P for good double 46H+K combos:

:6::4::H+P::9::K: (New stun):6::6::P+K: :6::6::P:(9K against BT opp. +18FA ; 66P+K startup fr. 29F)
:3::H+P::6::P: (New stun):6::6::P+K: :6::6::P:(6P against BT opp. +17 FA ; 66P+K startup fr. 29F)

It's defenitely not as good as her 2_4T 66P setup, but it's still somethin' (66P+K to 66P is SE fastest-able!). Not only does it give you access to really good dmg, but also shows how your opponent reacts while being BT. If they mash buttons while BT, you'll get a Counter Hit with the moves 9K or 6P. If they instantly hold after a 9K or 6P while BT, you'll keep the stun goin' givin' you 24/28 Cr. dmg (Cr. Lvl 3) and you're able to do some real good BnBs off of that (1P / 3H+K / CB burst).
Now before anyone asks what this weird setup is for, let me list up the possibilities again which were already mentioned in the Pai combo thread:

:6::4::H+P: :9::K: (New stun):6::6::P+K: :6::6::P: ...


... :P+K: :2_::3::P+K: :P: :P: :4::6::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :P: :P: :P: :3::3::P::K:
(Superlight- & Lightweight only)
... :P+K: :3::H+K: :P: :4::6::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :P: :P: :P: :3::3::P::K:
(Superlight- & Lightweight only)
... :P+K: :3::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :P: :P: :P: :3::3::P::K:
(Mediumweight only)
... :6::6::H+K: BT:4::K: :P: :4::6::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :P: :P: :P: :3::3::P::K:
(Superlight- & Lightweight only)
... :6::6::H+K: BT:4::K: :4::6::H+K: :9::K: :P: :P: :3::3::P::K:
(Welterweight only)
 

Timasty

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A mid punch hold against Superlight n' Lightweightsweights on NH:
:4::h: :6_::P: :P+K: :6::6::H+K: BT:4::K: :P: :4::6::H+K: :4::6::H+K: :P: :P: :P:
:3::3::P::K:

(The 66H+K after the P+K is SE fastestable though)
 
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