Darkslay
Well-Known Member
So, this is a subject that has always interested me not only in DOA but modern fighting games in general, you see the term “no mix-up” mix-up is a strategy popularised back in the days of SF3: Third strike and it basically means that in some situations being predictable is more unpredictable than being ambiguous (did that make any sense? lol.)
For example: you have 2 Ryu players that know the mirror particularly well, to a decent extent, 2P Ryu throws a hadouken in the hopes of having 1P Ryu jump in on him, but at the same time he knows his opponent can just simply parry the fireball (the smarter choice) and instead dashes forward following the fireball, however 1P Ryu DID actually jump in and 2P Ryu ended up getting crossed-up by 1P Ryu leading to a full combo that costed him the round.
Now here´s where the intriguing part starts, was 1P Ryu using the so called “strategy”? or did he simply lucked out after not being able to follow an ambiguous setup?.
This is also incredibly true in DOA, a game based around countering and knowing what your opponent is going to do next, but is it really all intentional? or is it a bad habit by players who do not understand a fundamental such as a mix-up?
Here´s an example in a DOA enviorment: Its a Lee against any character, they´re playing footsies, watching their ground the Lee has the life lead and the other player has about 10% left, the Lee player manages to get in and does 66P2K the other player techs and the Lee player goes for 66P again is he going to do 2K again? the other player thinks that would be too obvious and waits for the neutral K which he can throw punish and regain control of the match but what´s that? the Lee player goes for 2K again? the other player techs and the Lee player goes for 66P again and the other player thinking the Lee player is just a nut goes for the low hold, what happens? the Lee player goes for neutral K this time winning him the round.
This raises the question again, lucked out? or smart play?
Another example would be hmmmm.. remember the 3v3 finals back in TFC 2013? where lopedo kept doing DG 6H+K DG 6H+K against MASTER? a lot of people got mad over that while others said it was a completely valid strategy and argued that Manny shouldn´t have held that much, so what does that mean then?
Regardless a very interesting subject that i would like you guys to have some input on, i think it goes hand in hand with something like @His Reverence ´s “You´re Mashy” thread but who knows, i might make more entries in this “series” (i guess lol) as i do have other ideas, regardless, thank you for reading (if you did XD) and have a good one .
For example: you have 2 Ryu players that know the mirror particularly well, to a decent extent, 2P Ryu throws a hadouken in the hopes of having 1P Ryu jump in on him, but at the same time he knows his opponent can just simply parry the fireball (the smarter choice) and instead dashes forward following the fireball, however 1P Ryu DID actually jump in and 2P Ryu ended up getting crossed-up by 1P Ryu leading to a full combo that costed him the round.
Now here´s where the intriguing part starts, was 1P Ryu using the so called “strategy”? or did he simply lucked out after not being able to follow an ambiguous setup?.
This is also incredibly true in DOA, a game based around countering and knowing what your opponent is going to do next, but is it really all intentional? or is it a bad habit by players who do not understand a fundamental such as a mix-up?
Here´s an example in a DOA enviorment: Its a Lee against any character, they´re playing footsies, watching their ground the Lee has the life lead and the other player has about 10% left, the Lee player manages to get in and does 66P2K the other player techs and the Lee player goes for 66P again is he going to do 2K again? the other player thinks that would be too obvious and waits for the neutral K which he can throw punish and regain control of the match but what´s that? the Lee player goes for 2K again? the other player techs and the Lee player goes for 66P again and the other player thinking the Lee player is just a nut goes for the low hold, what happens? the Lee player goes for neutral K this time winning him the round.
This raises the question again, lucked out? or smart play?
Another example would be hmmmm.. remember the 3v3 finals back in TFC 2013? where lopedo kept doing DG 6H+K DG 6H+K against MASTER? a lot of people got mad over that while others said it was a completely valid strategy and argued that Manny shouldn´t have held that much, so what does that mean then?
Regardless a very interesting subject that i would like you guys to have some input on, i think it goes hand in hand with something like @His Reverence ´s “You´re Mashy” thread but who knows, i might make more entries in this “series” (i guess lol) as i do have other ideas, regardless, thank you for reading (if you did XD) and have a good one .
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