SilverKhaos
Active Member
I notice that a lot of people on this site like to throw the word "random" around a lot, apparently without understanding what it actually means.
Community Discussion for Tournament Rules
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Something-Unique
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It's always funny seeing the ice stage picked the most by randoms online and the first thing they do is open up with some form of a low like every other move. The mindset from these people come to think of it seem to go along with the issues people have with the stage.
It's also funny clean sweeping people these same players time and time again only to end up on an ice stage that one time and all of a sudden your in for the fight of ur life lol. Coincidence much! Sounds like a journey iv'e had many times.... shoutouts to the random ass stage.
It's also funny clean sweeping people these same players time and time again only to end up on an ice stage that one time and all of a sudden your in for the fight of ur life lol. Coincidence much! Sounds like a journey iv'e had many times.... shoutouts to the random ass stage.
Rikuto
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Do you?
Raansu
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What we consider random he considers skill. This is the guy that wants air counters and be able to escape any mistake he makes after all. He doesn't understand the meaning of true risk vs reward.
Rikuto
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Any situation that has risk and reward. Which means every situation in DOA.
That doesn't mean the majority of these situations have any right existing in the first place.
SilverKhaos
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"Random" is equivalent to a roll of the dice. Barring rigged dice, the result is entirely random, meaning that there is no way to affect, predict, or otherwise guide the outcome.
There is no such situation in Dead or Alive. There is nothing truly "random." Everything can be affected by the players, one way or the other. Countering is no more random than attacking, and stages certainly are not random, as the stages are set, and both players are aware of the stages layouts, and can guide towards or away from any advantages or disadvantages.
Now if say...you put it CPU vs CPU, hardest ai, then simply place bets on which one you think would win? That would be a random outcome, as you have no input beyond hoping what the outcome will be.
Risk and reward does not automatically mean random. The risk could BE that there is a random chance of getting the reward, or the risk could be that there is a LOW chance of getting the reward. But a LOW chance is not random. Especially not when its something the player gets to actually attempt to do, rather than, again, simply rolling a die.
To put it another way...slot machines. In some slot machines, the three slots stop automatically. That is truly random, as you have no input. However, other machines let you stop them manually, in an attempt to make them match. That is hard, but not random. The latter kind of slot machine is more akin to DOA than the former.
However, too many players prefer to just call anything where the odds aren't in their favor, "Random". Hence my previous post.
There is no such situation in Dead or Alive. There is nothing truly "random." Everything can be affected by the players, one way or the other. Countering is no more random than attacking, and stages certainly are not random, as the stages are set, and both players are aware of the stages layouts, and can guide towards or away from any advantages or disadvantages.
Now if say...you put it CPU vs CPU, hardest ai, then simply place bets on which one you think would win? That would be a random outcome, as you have no input beyond hoping what the outcome will be.
Risk and reward does not automatically mean random. The risk could BE that there is a random chance of getting the reward, or the risk could be that there is a LOW chance of getting the reward. But a LOW chance is not random. Especially not when its something the player gets to actually attempt to do, rather than, again, simply rolling a die.
To put it another way...slot machines. In some slot machines, the three slots stop automatically. That is truly random, as you have no input. However, other machines let you stop them manually, in an attempt to make them match. That is hard, but not random. The latter kind of slot machine is more akin to DOA than the former.
However, too many players prefer to just call anything where the odds aren't in their favor, "Random". Hence my previous post.
Rikuto
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
If I'm in a 50/50 situation with equal payout I can close my eyes and mash buttons on my controller to get the equal outcomes. That is DOA.
The situation is random. Human nature makes it un-random, and high level play makes it random again. Part of becoming a better player at this game is learning to re-randomize your mixups. If we are of equal skill, we will be fighting very, very randomly. And neither of us will be having any manner of fun in doing it.
You may not play randomly. Your opponents may not play randomly. At the highest levels of play, this game is random as balls. You have absolutely no idea.
If I'm in a 50/50 situation with equal payout I can close my eyes and mash buttons on my controller to get the equal outcomes. That is DOA.
The situation is random. Human nature makes it un-random, and high level play makes it random again. Part of becoming a better player at this game is learning to re-randomize your mixups. If we are of equal skill, we will be fighting very, very randomly. And neither of us will be having any manner of fun in doing it.
You may not play randomly. Your opponents may not play randomly. At the highest levels of play, this game is random as balls. You have absolutely no idea.
DrDogg
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I've always wondered how the game decides who picks the stage in ranked matches. I've fought people who only pick EotE and it seems like every single time I play against them, they get to pick the stage. It's annoying to say the least...
FakeSypha
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Not that my opinion worth a damn, but I'd ban all slippery surfaces from this game if you ask me. Never been too fond of them on any of the previous games.
Also, 3/5.
P.S. Just ignore SilverKhaos. This guy is the same that wants the ability to holds while he's getting juggled in the air as a game mechanic. FFS.
Also, 3/5.
P.S. Just ignore SilverKhaos. This guy is the same that wants the ability to holds while he's getting juggled in the air as a game mechanic. FFS.
Raansu
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It's always player 2.
But how does it determined who is P1 or P2?
Something-Unique
Active Member
Me too. I don't really understand it myself either. For example there is this one Alpha player who always picks the dojo or the other really wide open stage that's outside (don't know the name of it) and every single time we play he always gets to choose it. Most of my matches end up on the 1st player side which makes no sense not that I ultimately care but I don't understand it either.
The archaic online decisions that were made for this game always confuses me.
Edit: This game in particular has horrible stage design anyway. Only like 3 or 4 are creative and don't end up ultimately being annoying. DOA2U/DOA3 stages where r u?
Raansu
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*shrug* You would think it would be random but I seem to be almost always player 2.
Something-Unique
Active Member
DOA is indeed random no matter how much actual control u display because the way the system was designed. Even so it's no different than any other fighter in that top players will be able to control the environment just enough to provide consistent results. A perfect example is Marvel which is considered random as fuq but u'll always find the same pack of people at the top.
BlackxxxMamba
Active Member
Ok, I think we should also discuss banning Alpha for the fact that she is hard to see on a lot of the levels....
SilverForte
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Nah there's no need for that. I can see her just fine.
Rikuto
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Also Arrival.
There is more than just EOTE where it's hard to see Alpha. EOTE is just the worse one. I'm not sure where I stand on the banning, though.