Sam Sultan
Active Member
It seems like it is pointless for me to defend this game and i also understand now why the community is not growing so lets just agree to what i previously said and end this.
About morons online
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Takeda-sama
Member
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Nobody agrees with this because it's wrong. Randomness and skill are not codependent. Saying they are is silly.
Nobody agrees with this because it's wrong. Randomness and skill are not codependent. Saying they are is silly.
Sam Sultan
Active Member
What kind of skill except guessing skill and luck is required to win a game which is random?
Takeda-sama
Member
The ability to carry out combos to the fullest extent and unleash max damage upon a correct guess, as well as reaction time, speed and good guarding to reduce the damage you take from the attacking opponent. Nuff said.
Sam Sultan
Active Member
Can someone please tell me what i should think of DOA5? I mean it is claimed that the game is random so am i a skilled player if i win in this game or am i just lucky and a good guesser? Basically what im trying to ask is does it require any kind of skill to be good at this game? And if yes then what are this skills that you need in order to be good at this game or is it perhaps that a win in this game is purely based on random events and doesn't mean anything?
Keved
Well-Known Member
I've been fairly fortunate when it comes to online & would consider myself quite lucky to have avoided any form of online abuse, spammers or dirty player tactics. I've had something dribble into my ear-piece once or twice but nothing too over the top.
I'm a clean fighter, so there is no trash talking or bitter messages with me. If i lose, i simply accept the reality that i wasn't good enough for my opposition & i move on. If i win, i will most probably fist punch the air like one of those Korean pros that randomly walk up to you in the arcades on the streets, have one fight, kick your arse & then walk away like a boss to go eat some noodles while you wonder who the hell it was that just whooped your clacker with Ryu. If i win, I won't rub it in or send any ego-rubbing messages regardless of the players rank. That is poor form & it would feel arrogant to me to shove that down someones gullet.
Most of the time i play with the headset on & the games are in good spirit, we just talk about random shit like the weather or what your plans are on Wednesday, there is no bitterness in the lobby, just a couple of DoA fans from various stretches of the globe having a good ruckus online & having some light-hearted fun. There is swearing of course, but we're blokes, it's natural & it's nothing serious.
Which imo, is the best way to enjoy online gaming.
Everything in the lobby is going swell.....that is until, ........a dark figure looms over the room, Mad Max enters the lobby & the chat room goes eerily mute & conversations about the weather & plans for Wednesday turns into conversations about Hitomi & dates with Hitomi...
Character select screen blazes across my monitor as both me & Max highlight Hitomi each, before the fight even begins i receive a message on the top right of my screen saying "Don't pick my girl!", it's too late & the fight begins.
I play my natural game, he plays his. First count goes to Max, second to me 1-1.
Then it goes into reverse, i take a 2-1 lead only for Max to level it up making it 2-2. This is getting intense as i wipe sweat from my mitt.
Last round, nothing to lose & everything to gain, i take the match in an ugly, spam heavy way, but a win is a win. We return to the lobby, Mad Max throws out a few F bombs & leaves. Order is restored, the smell has left & we all simply resume our early convo like nothing had happened.
Me: So plans for Wednesday?
Joe Bloggs: Taking the family for a picnic
Me: Cool
Fin/
I'm a clean fighter, so there is no trash talking or bitter messages with me. If i lose, i simply accept the reality that i wasn't good enough for my opposition & i move on. If i win, i will most probably fist punch the air like one of those Korean pros that randomly walk up to you in the arcades on the streets, have one fight, kick your arse & then walk away like a boss to go eat some noodles while you wonder who the hell it was that just whooped your clacker with Ryu. If i win, I won't rub it in or send any ego-rubbing messages regardless of the players rank. That is poor form & it would feel arrogant to me to shove that down someones gullet.
Most of the time i play with the headset on & the games are in good spirit, we just talk about random shit like the weather or what your plans are on Wednesday, there is no bitterness in the lobby, just a couple of DoA fans from various stretches of the globe having a good ruckus online & having some light-hearted fun. There is swearing of course, but we're blokes, it's natural & it's nothing serious.
Which imo, is the best way to enjoy online gaming.Everything in the lobby is going swell.....that is until, ........a dark figure looms over the room, Mad Max enters the lobby & the chat room goes eerily mute & conversations about the weather & plans for Wednesday turns into conversations about Hitomi & dates with Hitomi...
Character select screen blazes across my monitor as both me & Max highlight Hitomi each, before the fight even begins i receive a message on the top right of my screen saying "Don't pick my girl!", it's too late & the fight begins.
I play my natural game, he plays his. First count goes to Max, second to me 1-1.
Then it goes into reverse, i take a 2-1 lead only for Max to level it up making it 2-2. This is getting intense as i wipe sweat from my mitt.
Last round, nothing to lose & everything to gain, i take the match in an ugly, spam heavy way, but a win is a win. We return to the lobby, Mad Max throws out a few F bombs & leaves. Order is restored, the smell has left & we all simply resume our early convo like nothing had happened.
Me: So plans for Wednesday?
Joe Bloggs: Taking the family for a picnic
Me: Cool
Fin/
Sam Sultan
Active Member
But the dominating factor in this game is guessing which means you can be 10x better of an attacker, defender than me and have 2x better reaction speed and i could still beat you just by outguessing you. So all i really need is to be good at guessing.
Takeda-sama
Member
I already answered this. if you can't read a response then you shouldn't be on a forum. It is POSSIBLE to win only by guessing, yes, but it is not PROBABLE, and if you rely entirely on guessing holds without blocking striking or throwing at all you're going to need about 12 or so guesses, because holds dont do much damage, hence the probability of that happening is ridiculously low, and your going to lose almost every game you play if you do this, whilst a person with the skills I already listed is going to win more than half the games they play. This describes essentially, the difference between Khaos' point of view and the perspective of all the players who disagree with him, as well as why they are right and he is wrong.
Takeda-sama
Member
You can't always counter though. You can't counter in a juggle, meaning by knowing the combinations I can land free hits on you when your counter fails and inflict more damage per success than you can inflict on me per success, making actual skill and knowledge of the game necessary. That is what distinguishes a good player, along with the previous comment I already gave you. The chance of you winning out in defence is 50/50, but if I know combinations etc, my 50% chance is worth 85% of the damage in the same equation.
Yaguar
Well-Known Member
More like this =D
Apparently not! Otherwise, he wouldn't of made that response.. Even though I'm way late, but the stuff you posted Khaos is completely off.. This is coming from somebody whose played DOA from DOA1 all the way to DOA5. Even though I'm playing on a competitive level now.
If you don't understand the fundamentals of DOA, then you've already lost. If don't understand how your character is played, then you've already lost. I can tell you how both of my characters are played & what they rely on in order to win along with everybody else in this thread. Just mashing buttons will get you murked in DOA5.
However, just looking at your posts, you can't back up 1 post that you've made.
Also, This aint no Barney Community: I love you & you love me complex. Like Hajin said, shut up & play you game for what it is. & Nobody is trashing you, SilverKhaos. I never called you an idiot or anything. People just want you to understand the game & how it's played. But then again all these people in thinking you have to look up to em & BEG them to support the game is fucking ridiculous! Hell it's the internet ppl! Get the fuck over it! There are idiots online! Always have been that way! You go offline, you'll meet the most chill ppl there is. Nobody is out to kill you. Everybody respects 1 another as a human being! Might even have something in common where you can meet up & play or something. Don't miss out! I wanna see this community grow! Yes, I give my opinions or 2 cents or whatever in forums. It's because I care to help out!
It's what I came here for. I came to be a part of this community & help the game in any way I can. That means I try to encourage ppl to play in tournaments, understand the game, & convince outsiders to look into the game. Again, like I said in the forum Dr.Dogg. made:
I'm not a high level player. I'm new to competition but not to DOA in general because I have the whole entire DOA collection. I even had to retrace my steps & relearn DOA to play on a deeper level. I try to travel any opportunity I get, don't believe me, ask Allan Paris or HajinShinobi. I've been to 1 tournament & looking to make at least 3 or 4 this year. I have 2 tournaments that I'm lined up for but may have to miss out on 1 because of the fact it may kill my pockets with the check I'm projected to get, but for sure I'm going to Final Round. I can understand that not everybody can travel. I can't always do it.
Like Shadow said, we need to come together as a community. Yes! There are certain things that you have to oblige by. Thats life! Thats anywhere! Go to SF community, VF community, MK community, etc. Same shit! Go in there with the same attitude & complex & see what you get: They'll eat your ass alive!
Again, this is a community. Stop acting like kids, thinking shit supposed to always be your way!
Don't forget to add the "you win some, you lose some" mantra while you're at it. People will start expecting a quick fix and instantly think they'll be a god overnight.
Case in point: You can understand the fundamentals of DOA, understand your character, try your best, and still lose. It happens to the best of us, but perseverence is key.
NOTE: Awesmic did not make this post.
HiguraShiki
Active Member
He isn't trolling. Trust me I know what trolling is when I see it.
See what I mean guys? This guy is the perfect example of what I am trying to tell you.
Idiots like Max talking bullshit and constantly annoying everyone with his love for Hitomi and him talking about how broken everyone except 4 characters are.Then when everyone tells him to STFU, he goes on about how abusive the community is, and for some reason people actually believe his crap.
Regardless of how random DOA5 may be it's still a great game that is competitive. In the end if you love the game just play it and have fun and don't let others cloud your judgement.
Well said, and this is exactly what I've told both JDE and Aelivia whenever I'm helping them out with the game. Never allow your wins to boast your ego. Never allow your losses discourage you from trying to improve. Improvment takes time and effort, so don't expect anything major to happen within a day. Keep training and playing for experience.
Raansu
Well-Known Member
Jeffcore got annoyed at me once because I didn't respect any of Mila's tools. He'd force tech me and either mix it up with 9p 66k or her tackle. It's a complete random guess on what option he's going to choose. I didn't fear the tackle because I can break out of it. I didn't fear the kick because it doesn't reset the tech setup, and I aside from the superman punch being unholdable, I don't really fear that either because it just resets if I hold and its -3 on block. He puts a little bit of pressure on me, but for the most part one simple guess can completely flip the fight around.
And I fear the ground throws even less than the force techs because 9 times out of 10 I'm breaking out of them anyways because they are stupid easy to break out of.
He shouldn't have to make those kind of guesses after a force tech. He already beat me by putting me onto the ground. I made the mistake, I should pay for it. Instead I'm actually rewarded if I guess correctly. That's completely bonkers and infuriating to the player who had to struggle just to get that advantage to begin with.
This situation is 100% random. There is no skill involved here. Either I guess right or I guess wrong, skill was not a factor.
And I fear the ground throws even less than the force techs because 9 times out of 10 I'm breaking out of them anyways because they are stupid easy to break out of.
He shouldn't have to make those kind of guesses after a force tech. He already beat me by putting me onto the ground. I made the mistake, I should pay for it. Instead I'm actually rewarded if I guess correctly. That's completely bonkers and infuriating to the player who had to struggle just to get that advantage to begin with.
This situation is 100% random. There is no skill involved here. Either I guess right or I guess wrong, skill was not a factor.
Mailifang
Well-Known Member
Yes our pro athletes are very mature people but they are also HUMAN. As human beings we are not perfect,we make mistakes,we have feelings,we get angry, and at times we do some really stupid things, A person who is mature is not perfect but at least when a mature person makes a mistake they own up to it. They also don't let trash talkers or petty insults from idiots get to them most of the time. But they are a handful of pro athletes who lack maturity and don't want to be a role model.But over time they realize that being stubborn, immature, and an idiot will end up costing them money in the long run. And it has with some of the athletes you mentioned in your sarcasm laced post.
As a professional athlete,one who is in the public eye you are a role model whether you like it or not. Especially if the fans are help paying your salary. Making mistakes or doing something stupid doesn't always mean you lack maturity.Maturity is measured on whether you can can own up to your flaws and correct them.
