qoodname
Active Member
Thats a good question. I havent heard about anything that got nerfed besides Bass but since people do complain quite a bit lately i feel like i missed something...
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Didn't Lei-Fang lose a couple of good stuff? Same with Tina and Zack since they don't have many safe moves and one thing that's going for them is mix-up.
Doa_Eater
Well-Known Member
And what is the point of that? We are not talking about OP characters here or even high tier for that matter.
No, but you see, a wrestler is not supposed to beat a ninja and so
GLoRToR
Active Member
I'm saying, you don't even have the game and you're already criticising it. Give it a bit. The fact that they are nerfing before release means they're giving it their best shot to release something balanced. I dare to hope they'll learn from the horrendous releases these days.
PopRock123
New Member
Didn't they give buffs to Hayabusa. They are nerfing characters for no reason at all.
Skilletor
Active Member
No, you see, because if these changes are for the worse and they make the game play more like DoA4, then I have no interest in buying it to criticize it further.
Doa_Eater
Well-Known Member
Hardly criticizing but ok let it be like that, we are talking about a well accepted gamescon build to giving nerfs to characters that don't really need it. I mean just from my last post to this Lei-Fang has lost a critical burst.
And this isn't even about tier list or anything like that, i understand that new characters need to be build strong because they're new and there are ninjas and stuff and i strongly support that, but this nerfing is really unnecessary.
DrDogg
Well-Known Member
I disagree with all of this.
Leifang never had two Critical Bursts, and the E3 build was the best version of the game by far. It's been a series of nerfs since then.
chocogerman777
Well-Known Member
Did they buff holds in the final build? That would be the worst...
Einzelkind
Active Member
That sounds awfully familiar. Did they listen to the Virtua Fighter players again? You would guess this would benefit the game, but it looks like it did the opposite again.
chocogerman777
Well-Known Member
I blame Fuudo and Mochi..lol
GLoRToR
Active Member
That's fair. If I hear it's shit I won't buy it, obviously. I've had it with mk9 being horribad and sc5 being mediocrebad.
If this game won't be amazing, I'm selling my ps3.
All I'm saying is to me it seems we're throwing bricks at something we don't even see as a whole just yet.
Nice to know.
DrDogg
Well-Known Member
You can look at the match videos that have some out of Team Ninja and see that none of those players like to punish unsafe attacks. They focus on counters and rarely do you see any throw punishment, unholdable stuns, guaranteed setups or anything of that nature. The finals video of this tournament showed that the players didn't even slow escape.
They play the game VERY differently compared to how we play.
qoodname
Active Member
I kinda saw that coming. Now the only thing im not sure about is how much worse it is by now...Could you go lil more in detail about the changes they made lately or are you not allowed to talk about that?
DrDogg
Well-Known Member
You're new, so you don't know my knowledge of the game at this point. What I meant by that statement is that you are completely wrong in that line of thought. I have a complete picture of the game. The changes that have been made are not primarily for balancing purposes, they are to make the game play like they want it to play. Unfortunately, this is not how many of us here want the game to play.
So while it's significantly better than DOA4, and some characters play like champions, this doesn't extend to the entire cast. Characters like Helena can barely even use the new system mechanics, yet they continue to nerf her. It's definitely not to balance her, unless she just wasn't low enough on the tier list for their liking.
I can't talk about the final build, but you can see the changes from E3 to GVN.
- Critical Burst is a non-factor now.
- Characters are losing their best tools (Bayman's 3K nerfed).
- Evasive techniques are less evasive (Hayate's spin and Christie's stance)
- Helena lost her main juggle and her main crush attack was nerfed.
- Tina lost a lot of safety.
Having played many builds of DOA5, I can say that the E3 build is my favorite by far.
GLoRToR
Active Member
I do wonder why gaming companies insist on doing shit work tbh. I miss the 90's when you would get games like Starcraft or Eve Online or Neverwinter Nights that lasted to this very day.
TIER LIST! TIER LIST!
Why can't all fighters just be Equal Opportunity?
What is the point, the reason? >.<
TIER LIST! TIER LIST!
Why can't all fighters just be Equal Opportunity?
What is the point, the reason? >.<
qoodname
Active Member
I dont know enough about the game to talk about character specific changes since i didnt play any of the builds but the point that critical burst became useless makes me rage. It was exactly what the game needed in my opinion and now its pretty much gone. I actually had faith in TN...fuck me, right?