Thanks for the response, I have your page bookmarked and the podcast subscribed to on my podcatcher. It was a bit sad when I finally got to the end of the 10th podcast, felt nice to hear people talking indepth about a fighting game even though I'm too old now to really take part at the high end of things.

Glad to know you don't really blame Itagaki 100%, the man is one of my heroes.

Please keep the updates coming!

I just listened to half of the these. Very entertaining and informative. I can't wait for more.

This is the post Wah referred to in episode 5 with JOP and his story about Hulk Hogan and Heihachi.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?action=showpost&postid=1663811

Hey man, I don't 100% blame Stalin for all the horrible things that happened to people after WWII like all the disappearances, Kulaks, the sexual abuse of German women during the war, the famines and Trotsky's assassination. I mean, he made the Stalin Tank...or at least I think he did. And what about the Five Year Plan? Then again Nikita changed that after Stalin's death.
Go find a real hero.

"His first and last DOA4 tournament"

I've never been to a DOA tourney. Grape is liar.

Also I was very drunk. Ignore my inability to form proper sentences.

Just started listening to this epic...! Liked the clean "round up" intro, grape... an organised way to start.

Sounds like a pretty intelligent (if meandering) discussion so far... Love to get in on one of these some time.

^ I concur

DOA needs those natural combos back.

Hitomi's 2p, and 2kkp(k2kp) give her +1, also.

I thought Armageddon was a good movie. Bruce Willis sacrifices himself, how can you NOT cry!?

I cried for his loss of hair.

vanilla pyrrha has the nut crush throw, but its been found to work on females so long as you are to the side or behind
but wow that was long lol, still interesting to listen to tho

Hey grap3fruitman, how can I join you in on a podcast?

Nice podcast guys. I'm looking forward to the next one...

Dam that was a long podcast this time lol, good stuff though.

"Itagaki is a bellend"

"Tekken 4 was good"

Seriously..??? Seriously...???

1/3 of the cast on this show (you know who you are) seemed to just be a Tekken troll there to do nothing more than defend Tekken and spout the usual stereotypical insults at DOA. Not cool. Also, interrupting interesting discussions on programming issues and technical details of DOA games/internal dynamics at team ninja with random degrading comments directed at Tecmo, Itagaki, the franchise, Hayabusa and Hayashi is not cool. One member of the cast needs to go. And Tekken 4 sucked- even Tekken fans know this.

On another note, you guys hit upon something really interesting during the podcast- the fact that Team Ninja seems to be able to constantly hit such a high performance bar with their games- more so than Namco. However please note that these days seem to be behind us- Ninja Gaiden 2 was a disaster, and from what I hear DOAD didn't impress on a technical level, either. I suppose Ninja Gaiden 3 will really show us if this new Team Ninja can hit the bar set by previous Tecmo games.

Finally there was something you said about holds- I've always wondered why most criticisms of DOA revolve around the holds themselves as opposed to how they are implemented. In the end, holds are clearly overpowered in DOA4 and as a result break the flow of the game, but is the solution really to ditch holds altogether? I don't think so. I think the defensive hold is one of the defining features of DOA, and a better approach would be to figure out how to make it such a compelling mechanic that other games feel incomplete withoug it.

What if the holds were treated like the parries in SF3- expert level techniques that are only seen in tournament level play? With extremely strict input AND execution windows- nearly impossible to pull off reliably, and only offering frame advantage as opposed to damage, but with the possility of enabling some really wicked launches? Also, what if they were engineered specifically to punish hold-mashing? (In SF3, if you make a parry input that is "whiffed", you are punished by an extended period when the system disregards any further parry inputs. This means that even though you can fire off a parry per frame if each one connects on a hit of an enemy's super move, if you miss even one of them you will be unable to parry again for an extended period of time.)

What if whiffing a hold creates an "invisible stun" period when the player can do any other thing except another hold? This would be true even if the hold command was buffered- You could also cancel a buffered hold if the player makes another hold input before the hold takes effect, and cancel all further hold buffering until the character enters another rest state. This would ensure that mashing holds NEVER works, and reward players who learn to hold off a perfect read.

HAHAHA. Look at you gettin' mad at videogames.

Yeah, compared to most DOA game, Tekken 4 was good. As a Tekken game, it was like the teenage years of Tekken, so they ended up experimenting with a lot of things before they figured out that most of it wasn't even worth it.

Well damn this almost makes me not want to listen. I will hear it out though.

Also, not to start anything but, why was he even on this podcast? He's clearly a Tekken fan and since he's been here the only thing(s) pro-doa I have seen from him is that Bass thread and the UK tournament that is hosting doa.

DOA 4 is the only DOA game that is bad competitively playing, the rest of them are fine.

Because when they ask people like me its in the middle of the night and I don't say a damn word and make sorwah talk the entire time =P

In all seriousness, I haven't listened to it yet (going to tonight) but I'd assume getting someone from another community could make for interesting viewpoints outside of the DoA fanbase. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and maybe next time they can get someone like d3v on the show?

Honestly, I only listened to this podcast to hear wah and grabe speak because every time they have something new to say.

To me, these games are very much a guilty pleasure. They're fast paced, flashy, fun and could be considered competitive. I'm not sure if I could consider the old DOA games competitive because they didn't feel like competitive games, but I suppose someone would. I don't have many people to play these games with either and they don't really take these games seriously.

And Tekken has it's share of problems too like Juggles getting longer and longer and the recent games rewarding launch-based strategies more, but it's still good. The thing is that Namco really listens to the players and this is all thanks to Harada's efforts. On the other hand, I don't see TN doing much interaction with the community itself. Sure, they go around promoting the games, but they don't know how competitive fighting game communities work and who they should speak to.

Also, I mean no disrespect to the community here. It's just that very few of you seem to take things seriously, so sometimes I just feel like trolling you. Mr Wah is one of those few people who he seems to know his shit inside out.

Also, please note: I'm not here to represent the entire Tekken community. I'm just a guy on the internet with his own opinions. The Tekken community is too large to have one person or one group representing it.

I wasn't really thinking clearly during the podcast since I was talking and playing at the same time, but I'm willing to have an actual serious discussion and talks about technical aspects later on and to explain how buffer system are implemented and how easy it is for TN to fix certain things and how it might also be the complete opposite in certain other cases.

Can you guys have Doctor Dogg get the next podcast? I want to hear what he has to say.