Yaguar
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I recall
working for some of his stuff but having to make the choice to block or flip as he arrived above me (whether it was grab or not). Been a while since I Mila'd.
Characters Thoughts on the ninjas?
- Thread starter Davey2100
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I recall
working for some of his stuff but having to make the choice to block or flip as he arrived above me (whether it was grab or not). Been a while since I Mila'd.
Davey2100
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calm down.
i have had Ryu's ninpo grab get me at some really weird times (the best was when lei fang was mid air doing her ->H+K then he comes down and i get hi-counter grab damage
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d3v
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Online? Then that's most likely your problem.calm down.
i have had Ryu's ninpo grab get me at some really weird times (the best was when lei fang was mid air doing her ->H+K then he comes down and i get hi-counter grab damage
SilverForte
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You wanna know how? Just free step, or duck and low throw him.
Argentus
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Tracks, overhead, and port behind you, respectively.
If there was a.way to read which move is gonna come outta that stance, then that woulda been valid advice.
SilverForte
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All of his teleport attacks whiff if you freestep, his back teleport is really slow to recover, and if you see him rush you with torpedo or something just block.
Drake Aldan
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Online isn't real.
If you filtered all of your opponents to 5 bars and these guys actually lived 1-2 hours away from you you might have a point.
Might.
When the difference between a hi-counter hold and dying is one frame it completely invalidates the whole thing.
Online is nothing but theory fighter, because you have to know the game deeply enough to recognize when the lag is getting in your way and not the match, and not let it affect you or your muscle memory- but of course it will affect you because you will naturally be drawn to options that lead to victory, which may be utterly useless offline. (This is why some people completely swear off online.)
Now don't think I'm being condescending to you or anything. I'm just being real.
I might point you to this topic, where I asked for help, and the first response was "you're playing online".
And I pretty much had to confirm for myself my own question. (Making the topic itself useless...)
You wanna play online, don't expect any help. Make best friends with that record/replay button, 'cause you'll be with him for a while.
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Tenryuga
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I just came in here to point out that DOA online is a distortion of the real game and I would appreciate it if players didn't complain or whine about things so unnecessary nerfs occur in the future. I'll give my thoughts on the ninjas too.
Kasumi - Extremely unsafe but she is great at applying DOA's psuedo pressure (free cancels and delays) and scoring counterhits due to her speed. She also has moderate damage output. At the points one would lauch with her you take 25% or more. Her throw damage is also excellent. People seem to think she's ass in 5U but I dissagree. She is very much viable just she lost the tools that allowed her to get massive damage for free which being a Kasumi player I am in agreement with since it is fair. She does have issues that need to be addressed that most players don't know of because they don't lab it out or face good Kasumi players often. Almost all of them abuse her online frame traps that allow her to avoid throw punishment like 1PP and 4PP or blitz people with 66PP and 66KK. They don't even work her guaranteed stuns or 236T juggles (understandable online because shit just drops.) Even oboro would suffice but they don't use that either.
Hayate - This guy is godlike at footsies and mid range combat. He's no joke up close either and he has great grabs too. Very underrated and underappreciated for one of these two reasons: 1. He isn't Hayabusa 2. He isn't DOA4 Hayate but regardless he is strong in this game. Notable flaws are his unsafety and sub-par strings that offer no good mixup (on hit his mixups either knockback or provide small frame advantage. Everything else is a mid punch and unsafety on block.) forcing him to resort to free cancels. As @TakedaZX would say #BuffHayate. #BuffEin too plz.
Hayabusa - I have no idea how this guy is supposed to be played because I've seen many different playstyles. Just avoid misuse of the gimmicky teleport stance. I'm sure @Brute would say land 5 Izuna's at the minumum and on levels with cliffs Izuna drop off all cliffs. Hayabusa just isn't Hayabusa without the Izuna drop.
Ayane - She is a bitch. Her juggles hit mad hard and her keepaway is miles ahead of everybody in this game and her whiff punishment is strong. In close range you better hope you have a good mid because her 2P pressure is mad annoying. Even then she can just adv mid P hold your mid and have you watch as she takes 25% life. Douchbaggiest tactics are P > 8P or P4P > 8P. Poke somebody just so you can get back into ideal range lmao it's so cool. Such strong tools that are underused. Like damn. She is arguably the best ninja in this game but I'm honestly not surprised people don't see it because the only player that uses her as she is intended to be played is @iHajinShinobi. Most other players just spin like crackheads which is pretty entertaining to watch lol but not all that effective if you don't know why you are spinning in the first place.
Kasumi - Extremely unsafe but she is great at applying DOA's psuedo pressure (free cancels and delays) and scoring counterhits due to her speed. She also has moderate damage output. At the points one would lauch with her you take 25% or more. Her throw damage is also excellent. People seem to think she's ass in 5U but I dissagree. She is very much viable just she lost the tools that allowed her to get massive damage for free which being a Kasumi player I am in agreement with since it is fair. She does have issues that need to be addressed that most players don't know of because they don't lab it out or face good Kasumi players often. Almost all of them abuse her online frame traps that allow her to avoid throw punishment like 1PP and 4PP or blitz people with 66PP and 66KK. They don't even work her guaranteed stuns or 236T juggles (understandable online because shit just drops.) Even oboro would suffice but they don't use that either.
Hayate - This guy is godlike at footsies and mid range combat. He's no joke up close either and he has great grabs too. Very underrated and underappreciated for one of these two reasons: 1. He isn't Hayabusa 2. He isn't DOA4 Hayate but regardless he is strong in this game. Notable flaws are his unsafety and sub-par strings that offer no good mixup (on hit his mixups either knockback or provide small frame advantage. Everything else is a mid punch and unsafety on block.) forcing him to resort to free cancels. As @TakedaZX would say #BuffHayate. #BuffEin too plz.
Hayabusa - I have no idea how this guy is supposed to be played because I've seen many different playstyles. Just avoid misuse of the gimmicky teleport stance. I'm sure @Brute would say land 5 Izuna's at the minumum and on levels with cliffs Izuna drop off all cliffs. Hayabusa just isn't Hayabusa without the Izuna drop.
Ayane - She is a bitch. Her juggles hit mad hard and her keepaway is miles ahead of everybody in this game and her whiff punishment is strong. In close range you better hope you have a good mid because her 2P pressure is mad annoying. Even then she can just adv mid P hold your mid and have you watch as she takes 25% life. Douchbaggiest tactics are P > 8P or P4P > 8P. Poke somebody just so you can get back into ideal range lmao it's so cool. Such strong tools that are underused. Like damn. She is arguably the best ninja in this game but I'm honestly not surprised people don't see it because the only player that uses her as she is intended to be played is @iHajinShinobi. Most other players just spin like crackheads which is pretty entertaining to watch lol but not all that effective if you don't know why you are spinning in the first place.
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Damn straight.
Jaguar360
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Your argument is invalid cause IZUNA
He also has other good/cool moves like handstand moves, his air grab, 4PK (and other renditions), WR H+K, 214P, 7K, 4P+K, 6KP, Ongoyin 6P+K, Ongoyin PP[P] and more.
And if he were to use his weapons and more ninpo techniques in DOA, it would just be unfair. Look at what happened when Team Ninja decided to make 4P+K a ninpo projectile in DOA Dimesnions.
Like others have said, the teleports are already gimmicky enough, though Ongoyin 8P and 8T have legitimate use.
im sorry but Ryu's handstands are just lame i really hope they stay out of ninja gaiden
SilverForte
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Too late, the falcons talons have handstand attacks, like the 360 Y.
Looks more like his WR H+K to me.
There's a difference between handstand attacks and walking towards your opponent on your hands hoping to make them laugh so hard they let down their guard.
this comment legitimately made me giggle
Argentus
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Okay, well, online is my only option, so does that mean i just shouldn't play at all? Online ain't perfect but I gotta learn based on online play.
Just saying, gotta work with what ya got.