Aven Kujo-Gin
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Why... that´s pretty stupid. Let´s hope they add something to compensate, maybe a new move or a buffed one who are 13 or less frames.
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Codemaster92163
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Pai has the same...oddities with several throws. For example, her OH from Hakeshou gives her +10, but not even her 9 frame jab gives her anything.
It's because you're reading the frame data and applying it wrong.
DOA's frame data doesnt follow the frame data logic of other fighting games ..
you need to subtract 2 from the advantage frame to get the correct (guaranteed) follow up.
the game doesnt register the first frame of input (the button press) .. frame count starts right after... then, the game considers the 1st active frame to be completely seperate from the last start up frame .. thats the other missing frame..
So, if you're at +13 ... anything that is 11 frames or less would be guaranteed ...
in this case ...Zack's P (10 frame startup) or 6P (11 frame startup) would work .. nothing else would
But anything 12 frames or more.. would not be guaranteed ..which is why 6K and 9K don't work (both with a 12 frame start up)
If you want to understand it better, I suggest you check my STRIKES tutorial (Tutorial 2) in it you will see a segment called "understanding frame data" ... Skip to 6:38 for the segment.
DOA's frame data doesnt follow the frame data logic of other fighting games ..
you need to subtract 2 from the advantage frame to get the correct (guaranteed) follow up.
the game doesnt register the first frame of input (the button press) .. frame count starts right after... then, the game considers the 1st active frame to be completely seperate from the last start up frame .. thats the other missing frame..
So, if you're at +13 ... anything that is 11 frames or less would be guaranteed ...
in this case ...Zack's P (10 frame startup) or 6P (11 frame startup) would work .. nothing else would
But anything 12 frames or more.. would not be guaranteed ..which is why 6K and 9K don't work (both with a 12 frame start up)
If you want to understand it better, I suggest you check my STRIKES tutorial (Tutorial 2) in it you will see a segment called "understanding frame data" ... Skip to 6:38 for the segment.
MasterHavik
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So applying the DOA frame data logic then after 6T with Zack P(i10), PP(i9), 2P(i11), 6P(i11), and K(i10). Kind of silly it works that way.
2P is a 13 frame startup .. wont work
K is a 12 frame start up .. wont work either ..
you need an 11 frame start up to work ...
PP doesnt count since you need to consider the frames of the 1st P (which already connects) and not the 2nd P
RhythmikDesigns
Active Member
+15 on 6T would be nice, but if 6P stuns on NH now then we should be good.
But it only stuns on
. But, if we could give it stun after it, like Pai's throws, we would be able to do that.
RhythmikDesigns
Active Member
But it only stuns on
Oh ok,