Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.

[MrMoon360]

I think trying to validate Alpha-152's legitimacy in the game is no different than trying to validate DOA as a legitimate fighter.

Is she beatable? Yes.
Is DOA solid and/or tourney worthy? Yes.

Does Alpha-152 promote illogical defense?...
Does DOA 5 promote the use of illogical defense? (HA)
(Pai, Sarah, Helena, Alpha)
1.03a
-free canceling & too much string delay
-retracking
-poor match ups
-wacky buffer system
​

We talking 1.10?
Oh. I think we can wait and see.
In other words, I say we leave her be.

 

[XV MR ARMANI]

I can say that I disagree with Moon. yeah pai, sarah, & helena have alot of strings but 8 times out of 10 there's a way to guess and not get punished for it too badly if you do it wrong. on top of that, their strings compared to alpha's are small. whats max hit in any given pai string? 4 or 5? some confirm but with alpha having 7-9 hits in a string with varying attack heights in a 4 point hold system, where you have to guess if your put in critcal, PLUS dealing with all that when string delay is in use kind of makes her a little broken eh?

 

[MasterHavik]

Point proven.



MIA? Her normal holds reset her position and she has a parry that completely removes the mid mix up game and both options take her away from the wall. I'd hardly call either those MIA or a bad thing in general. And she is far from "boned" when she gets knocked down considering she has invincibility frames during the tech on top of having a parry, 9 frame jab and a 12 frame unholdable flip kick. Those "negatives" are not that negative and will be even less so in 5U with most of the FT's being removed from the game.

Now, if you bothered to read the other posts you would see why people want her banned. She has speed, high damage juggles and damaging throws equal to that of a grappler on top of extremely good string manipulation and nigh impossible to SS. Her having raw speed is perfectly fine, she should be able to apply that kind of pressure, but to do so from both a striker and a grappler perspective is pretty broken. Her throw damage on HCT should not be equaling that of a juggle damage. That's something a slow grappler should be doing, not someone who has raw speed and zero issues pressuring you.

Okay....I talked to Hoodless about this. Let me response to this post properly. I say her holds are MIA because they do nothing to me...I play zack dude she should have a field day with me...wait she doesn't. And you're sure she is boned yeah I know she has all those nice things but I just stay on top of her and she becomes my dummy. Now the only legit point I got from all this was 7k it being safe...not good. That needs to go. But that doesn't scream ban they screams patch dat bitch. Also I know that 7k is pretty much Kabal's MK9 block infinite.

Well I didn't, but I had a good friend fill in with what you said. Now pretty much most of what your saying screams patch dat bitch than bitch in my opinion. Well the string part falls flat since I can just block throw punish while SS when the SS sucks balls anyway? I mean dude I'm mopping her with Zack and I can do it with Bass if i felt like it. I should be experiencing what ya saying man.

To be honest I feel should be buffered since I feel she is a jobber. I mean I know she has that and it shows fine and any...but why am I still winning? I also feel it's very premature to ban a character in a game that's not even out yet. That's like banning Junpei and Yukari in P4A2 when the game is not out yet. Also my friend told me she should be banned because in the history of DOA bosses get banned. So yeah that too...Look I respect tradition and all because in these new age of fighters bosses are becoming legit mains.*not counting the one you fight at the end of story mode or arcade mode* It's kind of hard when boss characters are becoming popular.

 

[GodlyHades]

I dont think Alpha gonna change much is DOA5U Alpha is still the same thing buffs or nerfs. If anyone can pick up Alpha in like 1 day and kick major ass you know something is wrong.

 

[MasterHavik]

I dont think Alpha gonna change much is DOA5U Alpha is still the same thing buffs or nerfs. If anyone can pick up Alpha in like 1 day and kick major ass you know something is wrong.

Well this is DOA we're talking here though. The game is very easy to pick play and get good at.(well that part is a stretch, but you get the idea.) That would make sense if Seth in SF4 was that easy as Alpha. I feel that statement makes sense in other games, but DOA is a strange case in this situation.

 

[DR2K]

Well this is DOA we're talking here though. The game is very easy to pick play and get good at.(well that part is a stretch, but you get the idea.) That would make sense if Seth in SF4 was that easy as Alpha. I feel that statement makes sense in other games, but DOA is a strange case in this situation.

Seth is brain dead easy, his only limitation is his lack of health. I wouldn't mind Alpha only having 200 health or something to balance her out. I guess that's why she's in her own class now.

 

[MasterHavik]

Seth is brain dead easy, his only limitation is his lack of health. I wouldn't mind Alpha only having 200 health or something to balance her out. I guess that's why she's in her own class now.

Well it was an example bro, but what I'm saying saying if anyone picks up alpha they will dominate day one in a game where everyone is pretty easy is kind of...don't got a word for it...but just don't feel when you say DOA.

 

[iHajinShinobi]

i'm sorry but the fact that you use an Ayane emote and have Ayane as your avatar allows me to freely not answer your questions.

Totally my fault. :3

 

[Raansu]

Okay....I talked to Hoodless about this. Let me response to this post properly. I say her holds are MIA because they do nothing to me...I play zack dude she should have a field day with me...wait she doesn't. And you're sure she is boned yeah I know she has all those nice things but I just stay on top of her and she becomes my dummy. Now the only legit point I got from all this was 7k it being safe...not good. That needs to go. But that doesn't scream ban they screams patch dat bitch. Also I know that 7k is pretty much Kabal's MK9 block infinite.

Well I didn't, but I had a good friend fill in with what you said. Now pretty much most of what your saying screams patch dat bitch than bitch in my opinion. Well the string part falls flat since I can just block throw punish while SS when the SS sucks balls anyway? I mean dude I'm mopping her with Zack and I can do it with Bass if i felt like it. I should be experiencing what ya saying man.

To be honest I feel should be buffered since I feel she is a jobber. I mean I know she has that and it shows fine and any...but why am I still winning? I also feel it's very premature to ban a character in a game that's not even out yet. That's like banning Junpei and Yukari in P4A2 when the game is not out yet. Also my friend told me she should be banned because in the history of DOA bosses get banned. So yeah that too...Look I respect tradition and all because in these new age of fighters bosses are becoming legit mains.*not counting the one you fight at the end of story mode or arcade mode* It's kind of hard when boss characters are becoming popular.

This does not discredit anything. Player skill has nothing to do with character mechanics. People need to stop bringing in player skill into the debate. All of you are failing to read what is actually being said. Do you truly believe that it is balanced to have a character with raw speed, good guard breaks with advantage, high damage from attacks and high damage from throws. Do you truly believe one single character should excel in all of those options? Bass doing a 150+ damage throw is completely acceptable given that he's very slow (his jab is what, 13i?).

What he lacks in speed he makes up for in damage. Alpha does not lack in anything outside of a wake up game, which really isn't that big of a deal with the current FT game and with FT being nerfed in general in 5U on top of being able to tech up and having the option to parry/9i jab/12i unholdable mid kick. I don't consider her holds doing no damage as a negative since they reset positions and go into neutral which is more beneficial to her than people want to believe. (Put bluntly it completely removes the momentum the player had on Alpha and puts her back to neutral where she has the clear advantage over practically the entire cast.)

 

[Allan Paris]

I will not edit or delete anymore posts that are off topic. If the discussion is not on whether or not to ban Alpha-152 in DOA5U, then take the conversation to the PMs.

This is a big topic for the community because it is a potential ban on a character in offline tournaments (she's losing the good fight in the poll btw). Filtering through bs posts does not make it easy to find factual information on whether or not she should be allowed in offline tournaments.

 

[MasterHavik]

This does not discredit anything. Player skill has nothing to do with character mechanics. People need to stop bringing in player skill into the debate. All of you are failing to read what is actually being said. Do you truly believe that it is balanced to have a character with raw speed, good guard breaks with advantage, high damage from attacks and high damage from throws. Do you truly believe one single character should excel in all of those options? Bass doing a 150+ damage throw is completely acceptable given that he's very slow (his jab is what, 13i?).

What he lacks in speed he makes up for in damage. Alpha does not lack in anything outside of a wake up game, which really isn't that big of a deal with the current FT game and with FT being nerfed in general in 5U on top of being able to tech up and having the option to parry/9i jab/12i unholdable mid kick. I don't consider her holds doing no damage as a negative since they reset positions and go into neutral which is more beneficial to her than people want to believe. (Put bluntly it completely removes the momentum the player had on Alpha and puts her back to neutral where she has the clear advantage over practically the entire cast.)

I was agreeing with you....I wasn't trying to discredit you. I just said all your points you brought up while they make sense scream to me patch that shit i.e. nerf/ tone it down. I mean yeah this stuff does sound shitty and I did read what you say...why don't you stop trying to play this," I know alpha and you're not getting what I'm saying son." I get you man it wouldn't kill for a little respect. I have done the same to you, so I should expect the same back. I feel with everything you brought up....I can still beat this character. All the questions you asked.....

Do you truly believe that it is balanced to have a character with raw speed, good guard breaks with advantage, high damage from attacks and high damage from throws?

Uh...no, but it seems even with all that you can still win while you're trying to say it's GG no matter what you do.

Do you truly believe one single character should excel in all of those options?

Uh...no? That's why that screams patch to me than ban. I mean this all makes sense, but I shouldn't be winning at all if the claims made sense and are very logical.

You need to relax man and drop the superiority complex. I don't know about everyone else, but I get where you're coming from but it won't get people to listen to in general.

 

[Kyotos Finest]

Okay this is what I am going to say about Alpha. Haha (here we go, I might get cursed out of what I'm about to say since I always do when I make a statement but I'm going for it anyways)

If you take a look at the story line point of view of DOA, Helena, Lisa, basically DOATEC itself "created" Alpha to annihilate the ninjas so to speak. So, her damage, evasive techniques, and speed fits PERFECTLY! If DOATEC wanted to create something to overpower the ninjas, they did one hell of a job at it! That's why when people pick Alpha, I would usually pick Christie OR Kasumi (because I like the idea of Kasumi beating Alpha once in for all haha) in order to have a better chance of defeating her.

Banning a character for a reason such as damage or the MAIN reason is that people get owned by her is craycray to me. LOL There are MANY ways around that thing and you guys just have to find the best options that would work best for you. I'm not saying that the people complaining about Alpha don't know how to fight her, I'm saying that people need to make better choices when fighting her. Lets face it, Alpha isn't going anywhere and she is a "boss" character. You guys expect her to fight like Bass or something? Haha

P.S. Y'all better leave alone! Hahaha Oh and another thing, I didn't read this whole thread so take that into consideration as well. Haha

Say "Haha" again.
I dare ya.

 

[Raansu]

I was agreeing with you....I wasn't trying to discredit you. I just said all your points you brought up while they make sense scream to me patch that shit i.e. nerf/ tone it down. I mean yeah this stuff does sound shitty and I did read what you say...why don't you stop trying to play this," I know alpha and you're not getting what I'm saying son." I get you man it wouldn't kill for a little respect. I have done the same to you, so I should expect the same back. I feel with everything you brought up....I can still beat this character. All the questions you asked.....

Do you truly believe that it is balanced to have a character with raw speed, good guard breaks with advantage, high damage from attacks and high damage from throws?

Uh...no, but it seems even with all that you can still win while you're trying to say it's GG no matter what you do.

Do you truly believe one single character should excel in all of those options?

Uh...no? That's why that screams patch to me than ban. I mean this all makes sense, but I shouldn't be winning at all if the claims made sense and are very logical.

You need to relax man and drop the superiority complex. I don't know about everyone else, but I get where you're coming from but it won't get people to listen to in general.

You're still bringing in player skill into the argument when that is not what is being questioned. The odds of a patch fixing the character before TFC is slim to none. It's either ban her or not ban her at this point.

 

[MasterHavik]

You're still bringing in player skill into the argument when that is not what is being questioned. The odds of a patch fixing the character before TFC is slim to none. It's either ban her or not ban her at this point.

We had a day 1 patch for DOA 5 vanilla didn't we? Where is that slim to none coming from bro? Well I'm not trying to bring in player skill that's not my goal man. All I'm saying....I'm not good or bad. I'm just an average player who is not having issues with Alpha even though all your points are proven and correct I still win. Yes she has bullshit. Yeah she needs to be fixed badly. But this whole thing reminds me of how Scorpion in Injustice was nuts and insane and there was lots of information how bs he was and how he needed to be ban, but at CEO there a harley quinn player destroying this version of Scorpion and it made a lot of people wonder was Scorpion really broken or not. And please don't give me the," this is DOA not Injustice" crap when Scorpion has some of things she has. So I have feeling we're gonna pull an Injustice pre patch Scorpion here.

But let me get back to the main point...you can write me a thesis on this and I'm still winning. Something isn't adding up. I mean sir with all the knowledge and information that is present on this character I should get destroyed and not even touch Alpha at all. On paper arugements are cute and nice, hell even can 100% right, but if not tested in a offline environment it kind of falls flat. Like I said I think you're right, but you may be overhyping it. I mean what is the answer in all this? There isn't one but, facts of alpha=ban cause you know those facts are so great we don't even let it fly.

 

[CyberEvil]

Ended up deleting yet another post. @WHY!? I responded the way I did because he said nothing to you and you personally attacked him. His response was warranted. There was no bias; you were contributing to the problem you felt it was your duty to call out. You already have two mods in here cleaning up bullshit. If you have an issue with us keeping things on topic, take it to a PM.

To everyone: stay on topic. Last warning. If you think someone isn't contributing, PM one of the staff members or report their post if it's offensive on a personal level.

 

[David Gregg]

Can I just say LOL to this thread title. Didn't realize so many hated her. (btw I voted no)

 

[MasterHavik]

Short version: Don't ban a character when the game is around the corner. That is premature. This is coming from someone who has seen this in tym time and time again with 100 buff and nerf threads. Relax guys...with the mods permission I'll like to link something that is related to this from 8WR.com.

 

[Raansu]

We had a day 1 patch for DOA 5 vanilla didn't we? Where is that slim to none coming from bro? Well I'm not trying to bring in player skill that's not my goal man. All I'm saying....I'm not good or bad. I'm just an average player who is not having issues with Alpha even though all your points are proven and correct I still win. Yes she has bullshit. Yeah she needs to be fixed badly. But this whole thing reminds me of how Scorpion in Injustice was nuts and insane and there was lots of information how bs he was and how he needed to be ban, but at CEO there a harley quinn player destroying this version of Scorpion and it made a lot of people wonder was Scorpion really broken or not. And please don't give me the," this is DOA not Injustice" crap when Scorpion has some of things she has. So I have feeling we're gonna pull an Injustice pre patch Scorpion here.

But let me get back to the main point...you can write me a thesis on this and I'm still winning. Something isn't adding up. I mean sir with all the knowledge and information that is present on this character I should get destroyed and not even touch Alpha at all. On paper arugements are cute and nice, hell even can 100% right, but if not tested in a offline environment it kind of falls flat. Like I said I think you're right, but you may be overhyping it. I mean what is the answer in all this? There isn't one but, facts of alpha=ban cause you know those facts are so great we don't even let it fly.

Again, you're bringing player skill into an argument, online player skill at that, one of which is well known that the majority of PS3 players are...not very good. No one cares that you don't have a hard time dealing with her against random people online. I don't really have that much of an issue dealing with the random online Alpha players either, but 99% of them don't even know how to use her.

Player skill should never be taken into account on these things. I mean really we could apply the same thing to a low tier character. Just because someone can win with a low tier character doesn't change the fact that its a low tier character. Just because someone sucks with a broken character doesn't really change the fact that she's still pretty broken.

 

[CyberEvil]

Havik, if it's related then feel free to link. A lot of us post on other forums. Nobody will get uptight if you link something so long as you don't hijack the thread.

 

[MasterHavik]

Again, you're bringing player skill into an argument, online player skill at that, one of which is well known that the majority of PS3 players are...not very good. No one cares that you don't have a hard time dealing with her against random people online. I don't really have that much of an issue dealing with the random online Alpha players either, but 99% of them don't even know how to use her.

Player skill should never be taken into account on these things. I mean really we could apply the same thing to a low tier character. Just because someone can win with a low tier character doesn't change the fact that its a low tier character. Just because someone sucks with a broken character doesn't really change the fact that she's still pretty broken.

CyberEvil:I'll link it in the morning. It will take sometime to find. I have no intentions of hijacking the thread.

Okay okay Why I'll stop talking about player skill...since you really are trying to shove all these paper arguments down my throat so badly I choke on it. You can tell me what is broken until the cow come home, but the player must apply all this broken shit. You see my friend we're doing the playing...so hate it or love it...you know what comes after this.

Btw...I been offline before playing DOA...not an online player...even though that's not a bad thing *coughEmann*cough*. I must be sick that was a nasty cough.