Like i said,
I hope you're all right..
I hope you're all right..
IGN Pro League DOA5 Pro Gaming Tournament
- Thread starter DrDogg
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PhoenixVFIRE
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Honestly, we shouldn't be debating anything.
This game still has a long way to go and things can and will change.
This game still has a long way to go and things can and will change.
Berzerk!
Well-Known Member
You did well! I hope you're hungry to play locally first of all! Practice vf in the meantime.
StickyStaines
Member
Is there a reason why 33 for CD and 2_8 for sidestep works for VF5 but wouldn't work for DoA5? Are you sure it isn't just the way they handle the buffer system that needs tweaking?
I obviously haven't played it, but i guess the current problem is that 32 will get you a sidestep? If thats the case then just make it that that 3 doesn't count towards the sidestep input and that you need both directions for the dash you want, with the leniency of allowing a different input in between.
So 32 wouldn't do anything, 323 would get you a CD. The only problem i see happening is that if someone were really sloppy and did 2323. Maybe make 3 cancel the input for sidestep? It's much harder to get accidental 3 inputs when trying to get 2 rather than the opposite.
What i want to ask though, is that if 22_88 for sidestep worked completely fine and you never got an accidental input error, are there differences between using that and 2_8+H+P+K?
I obviously haven't played it, but i guess the current problem is that 32 will get you a sidestep? If thats the case then just make it that that 3 doesn't count towards the sidestep input and that you need both directions for the dash you want, with the leniency of allowing a different input in between.
So 32 wouldn't do anything, 323 would get you a CD. The only problem i see happening is that if someone were really sloppy and did 2323. Maybe make 3 cancel the input for sidestep? It's much harder to get accidental 3 inputs when trying to get 2 rather than the opposite.
What i want to ask though, is that if 22_88 for sidestep worked completely fine and you never got an accidental input error, are there differences between using that and 2_8+H+P+K?
Arnell Long
Active Member
If debating was absent here on FSD, our beloved DOA5 would be more akin to DOA4. I see no harm in conversing with fellow members, although at times the mutual understandings aren't there. Besides, we're talking about the build we have now, not to argue, but for the betterment of the Franchise. Just like the Questions & Answers Thread, we are all curious on the current state of DOA5 and by logically "debating", we can further push for improvements.
Exactly, you proved my point, that is why we have a solid game on our hands, by coming together as a Community to discuss said issues, and thanks to our "feedback" we can continue to "change" DOA5 into an even more refined product come release. I admit we sometimes get into back n forth judgements, but what Community doesn't? With that being said, Team Ninja is listening, and we are speaking, DOA5 has got this far, why not share a couple of your opinions to further that molding?
2_8H+P+K feels awkward to me and over incumbent. It requires me to use all three buttons for movement commands when I've become adjusted to only using directionals. The only DOA game that forced you to use buttons to step was the early DOA2 Arcade ones when they still had jump mechanics, and even then it was only one button not all three.
Arnell Long
Active Member
For some odd reason, I think characters like Brad Wong, Elliot, Lisa, and Bass will be a definite threat in DOA5. These core mechanics will surely compliment their overall game..."gut feeling mind you"...
Skilletor
Active Member
Arnell Long
Active Member
This is DOA...not VF, 2 buttons, 3 buttons, blah blah. That is the least of the worries, we honestly should be thinking about their Frame Data transitions and stuff of that nature.
The characters "move lists" are already virtually unchanged for the most part, so whatever amount of buttons we have to do for side-stepping is fine with me, as long as they make up their minds...of course if we can come to an agreement that is...
I concur Sorwah.
The characters "move lists" are already virtually unchanged for the most part, so whatever amount of buttons we have to do for side-stepping is fine with me, as long as they make up their minds...of course if we can come to an agreement that is...
I concur Sorwah.
Skilletor
Active Member
Frame data isn't anything I care to think about so early and before anybody has had substantial play time with the game. Simple stuff like movement and accidentally getting sidesteps instead of a crouch dash worries me. That's a big thing that can be addressed.
I never once got an accidental taunt in the alpha demo. Three buttons provides less room for error, imo, with the way DoA's inputs work.
Arnell Long
Active Member
I also never had an accidental taunt, I just agree with Sorwah, Allan Paris, Rikuto, DrDogg, etc on the 2 button layout, but hey, if we have to get 3, who am I to complain when we're on the path of getting such a solid game either way.
Raansu
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Funny people keep saying that considering I still haven't gotten Wolf's offensive step to work in VF5FS. I can only presume it was removed. I've been using his 22_88 just fine though. So to me, 22_88 feels like VF.
It's there, it's just the timing is weird. Using 22_88 is a bad habit to get into. It works, but you won't be able to use the quick step doing that. Timing 2_8 g+p+k is ideal for the side steps.
DrDogg
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If the final release is exactly the same as the E3 build (sans Sarah/Bass), I would not play it competitively. It's on the right track, but it still has a ways to go. All of the problems that prevented DOA from having a solid competitive scene are still there. They aren't quite as significant, but still very big problems.
It doesn't help that a discussion with the dev team, Manny, Vanessa, sWooZie and Chosen1 didn't really make much progress. At one point Manny clearly stated that he didn't want DOA to change further because there was "no guarantee" the larger FGC would give it a chance even with the changes. We came to somewhat of a compromise, but it's extremely clear those players don't understand how other fighting games work at a competitive level, and they have Team Ninja's ear.
So while I'm confident we're on the right track, it really depends on who Team Ninja listens to more from this point onward. I proved that crew wrong on a couple of points throughout E3. And I'm talking basic points that were clear as day to me, but muffled by them. Not trying to diss them or anything, but they want DOA as it is. They are not interested in the changes that would give the game more appeal to the FGC.
Do half these people even play other games at a competitive level?
StickyStaines
Member
Is it possible to pick your brain and get an overview of what changes you think are necessary; i'm intrigued.
Arnell Long
Active Member
Although I'm working on my tweaks, I'm no expert in DOA, but any logical gamer who plays fighting games know that DOA4 took a few steps back and quickly burned out as competitive viable. I concur with you and share some your thoughts DrDogg. We do have a promising DOA on our hands, but I do see it lacking the tournament legitimacy as it stands.
However, the turnout of the E3 build is thanks to you, Rikuto, Sorwah, and others who "truly" want the game to succeed amongst the brutes, such as SF, TK, SC, etc. Being the best DOA is cool for our community, but getting respectful feedback and new followers from other communities is the true winner here.
Let us hope Team Ninja can continue to hear you guys out so that we can get the proper DOA title we've longed for...
However, the turnout of the E3 build is thanks to you, Rikuto, Sorwah, and others who "truly" want the game to succeed amongst the brutes, such as SF, TK, SC, etc. Being the best DOA is cool for our community, but getting respectful feedback and new followers from other communities is the true winner here.
Let us hope Team Ninja can continue to hear you guys out so that we can get the proper DOA title we've longed for...
Raansu
Well-Known Member
Not a single one of them.
DrDogg
Well-Known Member
At one point, Manny argued with me that Soul Calibur didn't have guaranteed air combos because of the air control system. When I called him out on such a ridiculous claim, he then said that it must've changed in SC5 because that's how it was in SC4.
Not only was he 100% incorrect, but he continued to argue that he was right. This is just one of many reasons why we need input from people who actually understand other competitive fighters.