The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^

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Jyakotu

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See, this is what happens when you introduce a story in a fighting game. You start to argue about "character development" when, beyond Story Mode, it doesn't matter. Hell, DOA5 barely has any special intros for the character relationships in solo matches. I don't really think any of the DOA games did, tbh.
 

Pink Nitro

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Btw, why is Selena Gomez a thing in here? not sure why I'm asking this now when she's been apart of the Gif-scene here for... quite awhile. Buuuuut I guess now I'm just curious where as before I didn't think twice about it.
Selena is as God-Tier as Genfu on a water slide.
But she's not as God-Tier as Daneeka Patrick.
 

DestructionBomb

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Btw, why is Selena Gomez a thing in here? not sure why I'm asking this now when she's been apart of the Gif-scene here for... quite awhile. Buuuuut I guess now I'm just curious where as before I didn't think twice about it.

It's a battle between Doge and Selena Gomez.

Currently Selena Gomez is in the lead. Her squad of platoon divisions of .Gif images are on the move. Doge is on the defensive.
 

Pink Nitro

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And then there's Daneeka who slowly rises to overthrow the two.

What if Nyotengu get's a Selena mask in one of her Halloween submissions?
 

Brute

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Btw, why is Selena Gomez a thing in here? not sure why I'm asking this now when she's been apart of the Gif-scene here for... quite awhile. Buuuuut I guess now I'm just curious where as before I didn't think twice about it.
SGG_Queen_Of_Everything.gif


Uhh... uhh...
I was askin' for a gif of Selena shocked and clearly angry, if ya got one.
I have varying ones, but they kinda tip more in favor of anger or more in favor of surprise.

This or this would probably be the one I would recommend from my usual collection.
Unless you really wanna crank it up to 11...
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What if Nyotengu get's a Selena mask in one of her Halloween submissions?
A Selena mask with perhaps a doge kimono? I don't know if it's blasphemy or op.
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I said they haven't changed from 4 (or Dimensions) to 5. I said it's dumb to complain now when most changes, if they even exist, happened before this point.
  • Zack has always been a clown and comic relief. You claiming that he wasn't before will not change that. 4 had him getting blown off the side of buildings. This game just has him actually doing things besides wanting money to go to Vegas. None of his personality traits have changed...like, at all. Don't be mad just because he doesn't win matches that often in this game.

A list of Zack character development

Saved Helena from dying.
Had his own Island resort built..... With all the women.
Is a Funky DJ.
Has a genius intellect of self teaching himself Muay Thai.
Shoots lasers from his glasses.
Set up the DOA5 tournament and became more humble.
First male to climb a building to fall from 100 feet and survive AND get into a fight with Bayman.
Zack is also the fastest male fighter to run across the stage in the series.
Can dance his ass off a proven of his taunts.
Is Dennis Rodman.
Is Shadowman.
Is a Mighty Morphin fucking Power Ranger.
 

Argentus

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No offense to people that like Zack, but he's always been a clown.


He still is an assassin, Helena's paying him... he's a hired gun, still is. Though now I think he's got more of a vendetta against Donovan, and maybe clonesumi. He now has Helena's help though, or you could look at it the other way around I guess. She now has his help.


Again I state, she's always been. She's just not chasing down Ein anymore... Which was pretty much the core of her presence in 3 & 4.


I'm about 90% sure she's always been that stalker with a crush. It's just, she was never a focal point for DOA and DOA5 is literally the first time she's been on screen for more than 10 seconds.

I can't really say anything about the other 2, cause you have a valid point there.

1). No he was just kinda goofy in a standard "eccentric celebrity way". He didn't go full retard until 5

2). I still think its kind of a huge step down going from high paid assassin go standard battlefield soldier to Helena's grunt. bayman must have fallen on hard times

3). Where in 3 was hitomi an airhead? Back them she was a strong independent young woman. Far cry from 5 hitomi.

4). There was literally nothing to say she had a crush on jann Lee before. It was always "I'm offended you thought I had to be saved so I will defeat you to prove I didn't". They just went "one is boy one is girl therefore attraction" in 5 for literally no reason.

I said they haven't changed from 4 (or Dimensions) to 5. I said it's dumb to complain now when most changes, if they even exist, happened before this point.
  • Zack has always been a clown and comic relief. You claiming that he wasn't before will not change that. 4 had him getting blown off the side of buildings. This game just has him actually doing things besides wanting money to go to Vegas. None of his personality traits have changed...like, at all. Don't be mad just because he doesn't win matches that often in this game.
  • Bayman's personality hasn't changed even if his profession has. What makes him not a badass anymore? Do you think he still can't snipe people if he wanted to? We don't exactly know what his "mission" is. It probably was still hunting for traces of Donovan.
  • As I said, Hitomi became like that in DOA4.
  • Leifang already canonically proved herself. She now needed something else. Unless we're just going to repeat the past 4 games. Might as well be romantic feelings.
  • Jann Lee's probably just upset at how badly he got trounced in this particular instance (or something). His personality can hardly be said to have changed, though.
  • Lisa is as usual? I thought you were arguing that people have changed...?
  • What are you talking about? Brad is clearly stumbling drunk in all of his encounters in 4. He even hits on Kokoro. And he gropes Ayane right in front of Hayate in Dimensions. This is pretty much who they wanted him to be for a while.
1). Zack wasn't a clown before. He was eccentric at worst. For example, compare his intro and win poses. Per 5, badass glares at the camera, warmups, and standing tall and proud. In 5, goofy sentai poses, falling over, crazy waving, "your hearts gonna be all mine baby" and Zack beam.
The issue is that before, he was just put in funny situations, but he himself was still badass. Now, he himself is a total clown.

2). I still want to know how a known hitman got into the military on such short notice. And why his competence suddenly plummeted. And why he went from menacing to cocky.

3). No, hitomi had some vaguely funny scenes in 4 which could simply be chalked up to 4 being generally more light hearted than 3. I do however base her ending. But it was 5 which flanderized her into the airhead she is now.

4). "Might as well be romantic feelings". What? No! Not when it goes against literally Everything! They shoulda just reversed it. Where now Jann Lee had his pride wounded by lej fang, or god forbid some character development and have jann realize that him wanting to be strong doesn't mean others have to be weak.

5). Skipping jann, Lisa s usual IS that she always changes. From accountant or something like that to luchadore to scientist to double agent to good to evil to good, etc.

5) no, you can do drunken fist without being drunk, and still have drunken habits when sober. But he obviously wasn't actually a drunk anymore in 4. And sorry but I just ignore dimensions for the most part due to all the horseshit it brings to the table.
 

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All I know is that Hayabusa and Ayane used to act a lot more badass (Hayate, too, if you're counting Ein).

Now they just sorta... aren't as much. You can pick out specific details and identify nuances all day, but the bottom line is that they got really lazy when developing and portraying those characters' charisma in 5 and they have much less presence as a result.
 
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All I know is that Hayabusa and Ayane used to act a lot more badass (Hayate, too, if you're counting Ein).

Now they just sorta... aren't as much. You can pick out specific details and identify nuances all day, but the bottom line is that they got really lazy when developing and portraying those characters' charisma in 5 and they have much less presence as a result.
And thats EXACTLY what IGN criticized them on is the Presentation and Depth. And I agree.
 

Aerospark

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Hayabusa went from that cool, poetic, baddass, to please stop getting mad all the time. Ayane went from that cold, giving arrogant a new definition badass, to do you need a midol and a snickers, Ayane? Their personalities in 5 are just... awful. And everyone's quotes in 5 all have something to do with preparing to fight or something like jfc. Just compare "Did you see the darkness of 'Hajin Mon'?", "I am Death. I shred your soul to ribbons." or "I have made peace with myself" to everyone saying "Prepare" every five seconds. It's just sad how little effort went into their quotes. I don't care if they have to recycle old quotes, just give them back their personalities, damn, they all sound like they've gone soft.
 

werewolfgold

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1). Zack wasn't a clown before. He was eccentric at worst. For example, compare his intro and win poses. Per 5, badass glares at the camera, warmups, and standing tall and proud. In 5, goofy sentai poses, falling over, crazy waving, "your hearts gonna be all mine baby" and Zack beam.
The issue is that before, he was just put in funny situations, but he himself was still badass. Now, he himself is a total clown.
Nah, I'm not buying it after watching Zack's Pirate Adventure in DOA4 and him getting abducted by aliens or something at the end of DOAX2. And Zack has been known to hit on people plenty. I agree that he should've gotten more old win poses though. But, his sentai pose isn't even that much worse than a few of the dance moves he's done in the past. And his second win pose is a reference to what happened to him in DOA4. DOA4. This isn't new.

2). I still want to know how a known hitman got into the military on such short notice. And why his competence suddenly plummeted. And why he went from menacing to cocky.
Private military outfits can be shady as hell. lol

I maintain that he isn't any cockier than before looking at his quotes and past actions. There were even a couple times where the "translation" of some things made him sound more menacing than was probably originally intended. Like, I think one time "No problems whatsoever" got changed to "All threats have been eliminated."

3). No, hitomi had some vaguely funny scenes in 4 which could simply be chalked up to 4 being generally more light hearted than 3. I do however base her ending. But it was 5 which flanderized her into the airhead she is now.
What exactly has Hitomi done in DOA5 that is so much more "airheaded" than before?

4). "Might as well be romantic feelings". What? No! Not when it goes against literally Everything!
Pfffft. It was inevitable. There was no way they were going to have that "obsession" end at just "I want to beat him." Well, maybe there was a way, but I never expected them to take it.

5) no, you can do drunken fist without being drunk, and still have drunken habits when sober. But he obviously wasn't actually a drunk anymore in 4. And sorry but I just ignore dimensions for the most part due to all the horseshit it brings to the table.
I doubt that was water he was always carrying around with him. And given his ending in DOA4, I don't think his "quitting drinking" is even canon. The only thing we know if his DOA3 ending is to be believed is that he threw away that one bottle.

And you can't just ignore Dimensions, especially since that's the canon DOA5 is apparently continuing from. I think a lot of problems we're having is that there was a lot left to the imagination from the original games. And now when what they decide to do with the characters doesn't match up with what they thought, people are trying to call foul. DOAD was how they chose to flesh out and to make sense of all of the plot points surrounding the games for better or for worse. Because they sure left a lot out in transitioning from game to game.

Just compare "Did you see the darkness of 'Hajin Mon'?", "I am Death. I shred your soul to ribbons." or "I have made peace with myself" to everyone saying "Prepare" every five seconds.
Though, I agree that they should've had more quotes and such in this game, a lot of things in DOA3 and 4 were...embellished in terms of translation. I'd have to double back and check those ones specifically. But, I do know that many quotes in this game are just carbon copies of previous games.
 

David Gregg

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@Argentus : Brad has, is, and always will be drunk in the DOA series. I have no clue where you're getting that he didn't drink in 4 as it's always implied that he is. Hell his ending even has him having some "enlightenment" after his drink:

 
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