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[virtuaPAI]

She'd go into Bokuho and never come back.

-TN should give her a Bokuho Teleport. Every time a player taps in Bokuho, she goes to the other side of the opponent. In all honesty, it would be cool if she had a real step from bokuho, with attacks that lead into a limbo stun(similar to her 3.1 SS).

-This bitch got big ass bags under her eyes. Is she under duress/stress/insomnia?

 

[Allan Paris]

So that was suppose to be in DOA4 with her step from BKO if you pressed . In 4 she just does the step, which steps absolutely nothing. My god were those characters stripped of everything good. Though DOA4 Helena didn't need anymore BS than she already had.

 

[CyberEvil]

It'd be cool if they gave her something similar to Yun Seong's Landwalk from SCII. Not sure if she'll need it, though. She was pretty beastly in 4.

 

[virtuaPAI]

So that was suppose to be in DOA4 with her step from BKO if you pressed . In 4 she just does the step, which steps absolutely nothing. My god were those characters stripped of everything good. Though DOA4 Helena didn't need anymore BS than she already had.

-Oh No, That's been there since Doa2. However, in Doa3.1 it did evade attacks(due to the FS system). She Had a True SS with /.

You see her do it at :26 and :42

 

[Allan Paris]

Well now we are talking about two different things. That SS was not out of her BKO, if it was, damn that's FAST! The SS I am talking about, she is in her BKO stance and she can SS out of it. She doesn't have any attacks from it nor can she follow up right away because of the recovery of the SS.

 

[OSTCarmine]

the BKO puts her at an obvious risk, SS is one useful tool to get out of it though i dont think she should get any faster recovery from it than anybody else. she should get some offensive options out of it though. BKO also needs better spacing options for backdash at least. maybe even a backdash-into-stand transision that has good spacing

 

[virtuaPAI]

Well now we are talking about two different things. That SS was not out of her BKO, if it was, damn that's FAST! The SS I am talking about, she is in her BKO stance and she can SS out of it. She doesn't have any attacks from it nor can she follow up right away because of the recovery of the SS.

That was addressed. She always had the ability to cancel her bokuho into a free step since doa2. cancels out of the bokuho while the free stepped. If you do bokuho :, you will fs to the foreground.

 

[Allan Paris]

If you do bokuho :, you will fs to the foreground.

They took this option from her BKO in 4. You could only in 4. Her BKO in 4 was by far the most annoying shit without SS'ing. If she had that in 4 and the game actually had a SS or a loose FS, whoa buddy. Since the ground game doesn't work how it use to, giving her back what she had in 3.1 in DOA5 would be a very good look. Though you already said that, so I completely agree with you.

 

[TRI Mike]

We haven't even seen her punching anyone yet. I'd like her to be able to SS from BKO and BS. It'd be fucking sick now.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

The general rule with Helena in Dead or Alive 4 was giving her access to almost everything in every stance. She had at least one 12 frame mid attack, NH launcher and a grab from Forward Facing, Back Turned and Bokuho.

My guess is that they will give her some kind of special move to add to her arsenal of attacks whilst in BKO but hopefully they will leave side stepping out of it. Side stepping is the only part of Christie's Serpent Stance that is better than Helena's Bokuho. Giving that to Helena would make Christie's SS becomes a crappy version of Helena's BKO again.

Giving Helena a sit down stun move in BKO would be pointless seeing as she only needs you to try to avoid her grab and she gets a guaranteed air combo with any of her wide array of mid launchers.

I'm actually curious to see if she got nerfed at all though. Of the top 4 she is the only one I can't see them slapping with the nerf bat. I would say nerf her P+K crush and reduce her counter damage and she will be fine. Couldn't care less if they remove her BKO throw loop...

 

[DrDogg]

*Helena stuff*

I've said this before, but the BKO throw "loop" was her best tool. The ground game of DOA4 is long gone, so we already know that will be different. With that one change, DOA4 Helena would be bottom tier in DOA5. They almost have to buff her.

Having a NH launcher doesn't mean anything in DOA, 99% of the time you're hitting CH or HCH. i12 mids also aren't a big deal unless they lead to something. In DOA4, Helena's mids only led to stuns and that won't cut it in DOA5 unless those are now unholdable stuns. And if you block, she was super unsafe (like everyone else). Not to mention she can't get into BKO or BT safely. Just block more, and without the threat of BKO throw, blocking becomes far more viable.

DOA4 Helena in DOA5 would definitely need some buffs to stay competitive, although right now we can't even really confirm she's featured outside of story mode (/troll). And as soon as I post the Christie article today, you'll think twice about saying Serpent (Jakeiho) is worse than BKO.

 

[TRI Mike]

Tell us the truth. Have you played with DOA5 Hele already¿

 

[CyberEvil]

You don't know how an NDA works, do you?

 

[OSTCarmine]

You don't know how an NDA works, do you?

lol, rules are rules

 

[DrDogg]

Tell us the truth. Have you played with DOA5 Hele already¿

Is that the WiiU version? Kind of like DOA2: Hardcore on the PS2?

 

[EMPEROR_COW]

Seems they are making a clear distinction between OLD DOATEC and NEW DOATEC .. I guess that answers a few questions. I still think the Tina/Sarah link is hilarious and makes no sense lol.

Whats more funny is that Brad is just chilling in the corner with no story .. lol

 

[DR2K]

Brad is the drunk uncle with a pet(?) goat at the family dinner that no one talks to.

 

[Omegan Eckhart]

And as soon as I post the Christie article today, you'll think twice about saying Serpent (Jakeiho) is worse than BKO.

I meant if they give Helena the ability to SS whilst in Bokuho in DOA5 then Serpent Stance will be a lousy version of Bokuho, just like in DOA4. They is no point in giving something to Christie and then also giving it to Helena.

I like the fact that both stances are used for different things. Christie's Serpent Stance now has a real solid use which is great.

Edit: Read your write up, is she now unable to remain in stance? The impression I got is that she simply transitions into it for mix up.

 

[OSTCarmine]

I meant if they give Helena the ability to SS whilst in Bokuho in DOA5 then Serpent Stance will be a lousy version of Bokuho, just like in DOA4. They is no point in giving something to Christie and then also giving it to Helena.

I like the fact that both stances are used for different things. Christie's Serpent Stance now has a real solid use which is great.

Edit: Read your write up, is she now unable to remain in stance? The impression I got is that she simply transitions into it for mix up.

lets hope TN can bring something fresh for her, but not at the cost of BKO sucking balls. if it means they have to make her a bit similar to Christie im ok with it. just as long as BKO does not suck

 

[Doug Nguyen]

I meant if they give Helena the ability to SS whilst in Bokuho in DOA5 then Serpent Stance will be a lousy version of Bokuho, just like in DOA4. They is no point in giving something to Christie and then also giving it to Helena.

I like the fact that both stances are used for different things. Christie's Serpent Stance now has a real solid use which is great.

Edit: Read your write up, is she now unable to remain in stance? The impression I got is that she simply transitions into it for mix up.

From what i under stand. Its not a stance anymore. Its a sidestep that could lead to her attacks she had in her serpent stance. You can do her "stance" alone or out of a combo. You can also sidestep twice and even back dash. So yeah no you cant stay in that stance.