System Information on neutral throws

[WAZAAAAA]

My tests have revealed the following:

- from the moment a Neutral Throw (5T) connects, you have 17 frames to break it
- most throw break animations leave the escaper at frame advantage, except Sarah/Jacky/Nyotengu/Honoka which leave you +0
- the brief "throw escape animation" of the player who is at frame disadvantage is throw-invincible (this prevents the theoretical exploit of throwing back the opponent immediately after a throw break, if you were positioned in a way to stay at point-blank distance after a broken throw)
- some Neutral Throws are unbreakable, such as Tina's on Counter Hit/Hi Counter, and wall ones (like Marie/Leon)
- H+P (aka T) is the standard throw break input, but in some DOA's H+P+K (aka S) is also accepted. This means a SideStep input can be used to attempt a Throw Break, as an Option Select! Here's a list of games I tested:
* S cannot break: DOA1++, DOA2LE, DOA2U, DOA3, DOA6
* S can break: DOA4, DOA5LR
* 5T not breakable at all: DOAD

TL;DR neutral throw break window = 17F

 

[Lulu]

This is really good information. Thumbs Up !!!!

- the brief "escape animation" of the player who is at frame disadvantage is throw-invincible

I'm glad you brought this up.... Brad Wong's guarantees his once he gets behind his opponent...... or atleast it did back in DoA5 Ultimate. I've had no such luck pulling this off with Tina's or her.

This "Throw Invincibility" thing is really perplexing.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Good read. But can you clarify the first bullet point? "neutral throws cannot be interrupted on frame 1". Does that mean If timed correctly, a neutral throw cannot be beaten by a strike? Or do you mean the throw cannot be broken on the 1st frame?

 

[Lulu]

Good read. But can you clarify the first bullet point? "neutral throws cannot be interrupted on frame 1". Does that mean If timed correctly, a neutral throw cannot be beaten by a strike? Or do you mean the throw cannot be broken on the 1st frame?

Yeah that also had me baffled...... but I didn't want to be the first one to say that so (I wasn't sure if it was one of those obvious things that I was suppose to already know but didn't) ..... Kudos to you, man. Lulu appreciates it.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Thanks! I think it just may be a wording issue. I don't think strikes will ever lose to a throw, or else that would break the triangle system.

 

[WAZAAAAA]

Good read. But can you clarify the first bullet point? "neutral throws cannot be interrupted on frame 1". Does that mean If timed correctly, a neutral throw cannot be beaten by a strike? Or do you mean the throw cannot be broken on the 1st frame?

Yeah that also had me baffled...... but I didn't want to be the first one to say that so (I wasn't sure if it was one of those obvious things that I was suppose to already know but didn't) ..... Kudos to you, man. Lulu appreciates it.

Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll use an example to explain this:

You're Gen Fu and you successfully land on the opponent a neutral throw.
A full neutral throw animation landed by Gen Fu lasts 91 frames for both sides.
The victim can start escaping that throw from the second frame to the 18th of that animation. For some unknown reason, if the victim registers a throw button on the first frame, the neutral throw doesn't break.

 

[Lulu]

Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll use an example to explain this:

You're Gen Fu and you successfully land on the opponent a neutral throw.
A full neutral throw animation landed by Gen Fu lasts 91 frames for both sides.
The victim can start escaping that throw from the second frame to the 18th of that animation. For some unknown reason, if the victim registers a throw button on the first frame, the neutral throw doesn't break.

Hmmm..... that is strange.

How do you keep finding these lil things anyway ? You're not a Super Cyborg, right ?.......

 

[WAZAAAAA]

Hmmm..... that is strange.

How do you keep finding these lil things anyway ? You're not a Super Cyborg, right ?.......

I'm just using Cheat Engine to:
- play the game in super slow motion
- count the frames through an internal memory address

I'm probably going to release a simple GUI program that displays the current animation frame for both players if I can solve some issues first, it could be used to count the frames of "movement moves" that are written as 0(0)0 by the move details (such as Jann Lee's 1P+K), pretty useful

 

[Rich Nixon]

I'm just using Cheat Engine to:
- play the game in super slow motion
- count the frames through an internal memory address

I'm probably going to release a simple GUI program that displays the current animation frame for both players if I can solve some issues first, it could be used to count the frames of "movement moves" that are written as 0(0)0 by the move details (such as Jann Lee's 1P+K), pretty useful

Wazaaaaa is a doa scientist lol. Could someone use the same program you're using to find the timing for combo throws as well?

 

[WAZAAAAA]

Could someone use the same program you're using to find the timing for combo throws as well?

yes

 

[DestructionBomb]

This is pretty good.

 

[Lulu]

I'm just using Cheat Engine to:
- play the game in super slow motion
- count the frames through an internal memory address

I'm probably going to release a simple GUI program that displays the current animation frame for both players if I can solve some issues first, it could be used to count the frames of "movement moves" that are written as 0(0)0 by the move details (such as Jann Lee's 1P+K), pretty useful

Thats so cool !!!

 

[deathofaninja]

Nice quick list of valuable information.