A Discussion of sexualised design of male/female characters

[KasumiLover]

If we're talking about ideal characters we like and how sexualized they can be, these are examples of what please my eyes...

Aesthetically wise, I prefer more leg focus...I find long legs and costumes that show a good view of them a lot more attractive than just breasts and cleavage. I also like long hair, which to me adds sex appeal to the character, if it's at the correct length and not too short or long, and I love frilly dresses and lolita inspired fashion because of it's modesty and classy appearance, and it's simplistic and minimalistic color schemes. If a costume had to be revealing, I'd like a work of art like this:

Although most would deem this costume revealing and slutty, I real don't see it that way. It's like a masterpiece to me, and really reflects Lili's background and personality well and even has some class and elegance to it I really like. I honestly would love for it to return in Tekken 7.( I also was going to post Amy from SC as an example, but I didn't want to weird anyone out since she's really young...)

 

[Sammy-Fu]

See Honokas difference. She uses a copy paste of Maries face but otherwise she's obviously 16-19. Build mannerisms dress etc.

Marie is blatantly, almost explicitly, about 8-12, and Team Ninja is obviously lieing out there asses to appease censors by saying "totally 18" lol.

Much like how they did a two year time skip so they can say the younger girls are 18 now despite it being obvious no such time has actually passed.

One thing i will point out however is that on Honoka's wiki page there is concept art for her character and she definitely looks around the 13-14, mark. I think Honoka's "Copy and paste Marie Rose face" probably comes down to a lack of budget to keep pumping out completely unique characters more than anything....or just pure laziness......or both.....but yeah, i'm glad they changed her from the concept art at least.

I always felt the comparison between the two in age was a bit baffling for the reasons you stated above and more.

 

[Xhominid The Demon Within]

she's a video game character spirit and design is all there is to them, therefore yeah that's what they were aiming for.

And congrats for going back to what I said earlier...
Video Game Spirit or not, you can just add a number and it's suddenly okay or not okay. Hell, he could have said college and there would be no fuss. The whole thing is pointless.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Personally I wish we could see more full body tattoos of power(they glow when shit gets real)

More voluntary tatoos would be nice in general. by that I mean not ancient artifact curses branded into their skin, but stuff they felt strongly enough about to etch it into their flesh before shit went down. Makes them feel more human to me


Note: although Sexualization is in the topic feel free to talk about character deseign in general. There is no clear definition of what Sexualization is besides made to look appealing because different things look "sexy" to different people. Hell This robot suit is sexier to me then most female deseigns honestly

 

[Tyaren]

Hell This robot suit is sexier to me then most female deseigns honestly

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Speaking of sexy suits...

P.N.03:

Batman Arkham Knight:

 

[XVideos]

Personally I wish we could see more full body tattoos of power(they glow when shit gets real)

Black tape project?

nsfw maybe

Spoiler

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[Russian-chiropractic19]

Black tape project?

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=29abb41cbb6f8ddb7afa6d6681a2357c&oe=5701E144
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=ee378272c2064bea6bed2f9596034fa9&oe=570FAD77
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https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=cb87ed3824c2c3eab839abffa967d34d&oe=5702A7A6

more like this

 

[Argentus]

Personally I wish we could see more full body tattoos of power(they glow when shit gets real)

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More voluntary tatoos would be nice in general. by that I mean not ancient artifact curses branded into their skin, but stuff they felt strongly enough about to etch it into their flesh before shit went down. Makes them feel more human to me


Note: although Sexualization is in the topic feel free to talk about character deseign in general. There is no clear definition of what Sexualization is besides made to look appealing because different things look "sexy" to different people. Hell This robot suit is sexier to me then most female deseigns honestly

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Eh I've had enough of Tron Lines

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

Eh I've had enough of Tron Lines

I've rarely seen them outside of mecha anime even then it's pretty rare

 

[Sammy-Fu]

Not really a fan of tatoo's so i don't really care for them too much. Personaly thoughts aside, tatoo's are pretty taboo in Japan so it's not something that comes up often in games, even then it's usually by pro western thinkers like Itagaki and Shinji Mikami more than anything.

I can't think of many characters made by Japanese people who are not western inspired but one character does does spring to mind-

Even then, Hikage from Senran Kagura is a knife wielding criminal thug so her personality isn't exactly "inspiring". It's something though i suppose, Japan and tatoo's don't mix very well mainly due to the Yakuza, you have them in Japan and people automatically think you are linked to them. It could also be a cultural thing in a different way though, for a country that is very sex heavy maybe the majority are out on body art? different cultures, different opinions i suppose.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

that would imply that the west doesn't have the exact same stigma for tattoos. there are constantly things going on about how those with tattoos are assumed to be more dangerous and violent and even in Texas today one of the stipulations for the new Open Carry act was that they wouldn't be allowed in bars(duh) and for some reason tattoo parlors.

 

[Sammy-Fu]

that would imply that the west doesn't have the exact same stigma for tattoos. there are constantly things going on about how those with tattoos are assumed to be more dangerous and violent and even in Texas today one of the stipulations for the new Open Carry act was that they wouldn't be allowed in bars(duh) and for some reason tattoo parlors.

Nowhere near on Japan's level. It's harder to get jobs if you have tatoo's and it's harder to do certain things for sure but the amount of people in the US that have tatoo's is quite crazy. so many people do and here in the UK it's quite big because of the US as well. Lots of bands have them and i think that puts over a direct influence for people growing up, in the main.

It's a lot more widespread than it used to be and there seems to be a lot of people getting them than it used to be, i'm not sure if it's "the in thing" and that will die down somewhat generations down the line but who knows.

Anyway, it's far more common in the West than it is in the East.

 

[Kasumi-Phase-X]

had they removed photo mode from DOAD then Sweeden could have enjoyed DOAD just fine.

What about the ages that is in the character bios? Because unlike the western releases from DOA1-Paradise, DOAD Euro version actually include Kasumi, Ayane, Eliot, & Kokoro age that would normally been censored plus the costumes they've been wearing. So even if they didn't have photo mode, they'd still be more concern about how old they are & what they wear.

DOAs graphics have gotten much better and their art style much more realistic and thats the reason this has become a problem now.

Would changing graphics or artstyle completely change on what makes people feel uncomfortable? Maybe DOA should have an anime artstyle instead of what DOA5 & Xtreme 3 have, so there won't be problems with Marie Rose.

So I've found this article. I thought it was interesting. What are your thoughts on it?
http://nichegamer.com/2015/12/sex-negative-beliefs-are-ruining-gaming-and-society-at-large/

Its a pretty good article, this honestly a pretty sad generation we live in and do hope 2016 will be the year where these people will be called out and will disappear from the media industries, medias of all kind should be allow to include risqué or sexual while these certain people need to focus elsewhere & not even make a big deal if there is a cute female wearing obscure or bikini.

Looks young
Talks young
Walks young
Acts young
Dresses young
Sounds young

Is young.

Despite all the stuff you've said that Marie Rose is young based on all points you gave (which a lot are only what uptight society would normally be judging things or what they view an adult), sometimes characters that are 18 or older doesn't have to follow what you've just typed up. We've already have older DOA female models that you could be saying they look younger than what they look (TFG even said something about Kasumi & Ayane old faces "why does Kasumi have a face of a 12-year-old girl" & "And like her sister, she has the face of a 12-year-old girl. *rolls eyes*"). There are anime I know that may have characters that either looks young or acts young than their actual age. Why does clothes even determine that character is young? It really sounds like from someone who is only use to what is considered normal or adult (which is only has a very limited view).

I would accept Marie as 18, since I know there characters that are even younger looking characters.

 

[Sammy-Fu]

Would changing graphics or artstyle completely change on what makes people feel uncomfortable? Maybe DOA should have an anime artstyle instead of what DOA5 & Xtreme 3 have, so there won't be problems with Marie Rose.

Wouldn't work.

They removed the ages for all characters in Senran Kagura for the west and the franchise is as anime esque as you could get. It's the only change they did and Marvelous said the games will always be completely uncensored except for the ages.

It's just more pressure these days than it was back then, the west tried to enforce it on Japan in their home territory but Japan wasn't having any of it.

 

[Russian-chiropractic19]

nope im done trying to convince yall that MR was never meant to be 18. Japan is steeped in lolicon so the belief that TN whose sole business plan is to make the most erotic characters they can wouldn't get their hands in that pie is utterly ridiculous. i cant beat common sense into someones head.

 

[Sammy-Fu]

nope im done trying to convince yall that MR was never meant to be 18. Japan is steeped in lolicon so the belief that TN whose sole business plan is to make the most erotic characters they can wouldn't get their hands in that pie is utterly ridiculous. i cant beat common sense into someones head.

Ayane was 16 in the west before the pressure was put on to change the ages.

We may not see eye to eye on a lot of stuff due to our polar opposite opinions but i think given the track record and the evidence shown in the past, Neither Marie Rose or Honoka or anybody else that had their ages shifted were never meant to be 18. I doubt Ayane or some of the others would be now if it wasn't for the west cracking down on age sexualisation.

 

[Argentus]

What about the ages that is in the character bios? Because unlike the western releases from DOA1-Paradise, DOAD Euro version actually include Kasumi, Ayane, Eliot, & Kokoro age that would normally been censored plus the costumes they've been wearing. So even if they didn't have photo mode, they'd still be more concern about how old they are & what they wear.



Would changing graphics or artstyle completely change on what makes people feel uncomfortable? Maybe DOA should have an anime artstyle instead of what DOA5 & Xtreme 3 have, so there won't be problems with Marie Rose.



Its a pretty good article, this honestly a pretty sad generation we live in and do hope 2016 will be the year where these people will be called out and will disappear from the media industries, medias of all kind should be allow to include risqué or sexual while these certain people need to focus elsewhere & not even make a big deal if there is a cute female wearing obscure or bikini.



Despite all the stuff you've said that Marie Rose is young based on all points you gave (which a lot are only what uptight society would normally be judging things or what they view an adult), sometimes characters that are 18 or older doesn't have to follow what you've just typed up. We've already have older DOA female models that you could be saying they look younger than what they look (TFG even said something about Kasumi & Ayane old faces "why does Kasumi have a face of a 12-year-old girl" & "And like her sister, she has the face of a 12-year-old girl. *rolls eyes*"). There are anime I know that may have characters that either looks young or acts young than their actual age. Why does clothes even determine that character is young? It really sounds like from someone who is only use to what is considered normal or adult (which is only has a very limited view).

I would accept Marie as 18, since I know there characters that are even younger looking characters.

The problems with Marie rose are

1) regardless of her stated age, she is explicitly designed as more of an 11 year old than anything thing else, which wouldn't be an issue in and of itself except for the following two points

2) that creepy ass (figuratively and literally) C2. Her c1 and most other outfits are fine and cute and all but THAT one is just awkwardly skintight for how young she looks. That costume is why I can't image search DOA anymore, especially not in public because now all the results look like illegal porn.

3). Someone as young as her looks totally out of place in a world fighting tournament. It comes across less as an actual doacharacter and more like someone forgot "bring your daughter to work day" was canceled.

Then there's also

4) Her design while unique to DOA, is pathetically bland and generic overall to the point when you see fan art of her its damn near impossible to tell its supposed to be Marie Rose because she looks exactly like every other anime Loki



Bottom line is DOA will design girls of whatever age they think will sell then just claim they're 18 regardless because much like real life its damn near impossible to prove one way or the other without valid ID lol

 

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4) Her design while unique to DOA, is pathetically bland and generic overall to the point when you see fan art of her its damn near impossible to tell its supposed to be Marie Rose because she looks exactly like every other anime Loki

You know, this is a problem with a lot of 3D fighting game character designs.

In VF, DOA, Tekken, a lot of the characters simply don't stand out as much as 2D fighters do.

 

[Sammy-Fu]

You know, this is a problem with a lot of 3D fighting game character designs.

In VF, DOA, Tekken, a lot of the characters simply don't stand out as much as 2D fighters do.

3D fighters are harder to create in general. The lack of projectile moves is quite limiting so they always have to find other unique ways of creating fighters....saying that, Tekken has Akuma now so maybe i'm just talking out of my ass.

Maybe their are others that do have projectiles and stuff and i'm just not thinking clearly.

oh well.....but there DOES seem to be a lot limiting in 3D fighters, moves and designwise.

 

[Tyaren]

So I thought I reply to the thread and Russian's cue to keep the discussion going, since this is atually a super interesting topic, but get completely ignored and we are back to Marie Rose and the same old debate...

For character design (if sexualized or not) I will in future keep on talking to myself in the graphics and art style thread. XD