Soul Calibur Thread

[Jadeinchains]

Hm...with lots imagination...

SC models look so good! (They look better than Tekken 7 models actually)...

I want to see them on PS4! ;__;

Yeah its kind of sad that a game from 2012 looks better than a game coming out this year. And yeah it is kind of a reach to say its an A on her head but I'm willing to bet that it is her.

 

[KasumiLover]

Yeah, Amy is Viola, here are the facts why:
-Same VA
-Different styles, but both play the same in terms of attack rate, speed, and low single damage output
-Dance of the gypsy(Viola's 2nd SC5 BGM) has a woman singing in the beginning,"SHAAYYYYISSSAAAAAAAMMMMYYYYYY" in a gypsy like tone
-Both dress in Gothic lolita inspired costumes, and Viola's hairstyle is basically the grown up version of Amy's curled vermillion pigtails

Project soul tries so hard to hide it, but you can literally see it, unless Viola is amy's sister. And I think the new Nightmare in the game is actually Raphael, they have the same VA I believe, and if you go to CAS, you can see his model is raphael's, especially if you equip a certain mask...although I do not remember which one it was. XD

 

[Jadeinchains]

I forgot that Raphael was the new nightmare but yeah something must have happened that gave Amy amnesia and leading her to become Viola. We'd know by know for sure if they hadn't rushed the game and had actually included her story!

 

[KasumiLover]

We could know for sure it was amy if they provided a literal age for Viola. Amy's age is unknown, but Raphael did mention in one of his bios that she was "less than 10 when he first me her", so she's likely 9-10, and would've been 26-27 in the time skip, which ironically is how old Viola looks. But they gave her some fortune telling hokey-pokey as her age, so we could only guess. I believe since Amy's vampirism was originated from soul edge, when Segfried defeated nightmare and soul edge, that "curse" somehow vanquished from her body while she was journeying in SC4 to find Raphael, thus she lost her memory and paled while losing her vampirism. There's also another possibility that something darker occurred on her solo journey to make her lose her memory, but I don't want to wish anything bad on amy since she was so young when she ventured out.

 

[Xernuht]

IMO, 5 was visually and musically the best SC game, with some of the best costume design overall since 3 and a very impressive soundtrack. As far as the new blood went, I liked most of them.

Natsu was Taki with a less ridiculous physique, a cocky attitude reminiscent of Cassandra, and Kate Higgins' voice work was great. Patroklos was hammy fun (although A.Pat was a terrible idea) and let me get my shield-bashing in. Pyrrha was almost as fun, with O.Pyrrha being even more so, and Laura Bailey can do no wrong. Viola... if her design get re-used for Amy next game, I will never drop that game. ZWEI's moveset was interesting, and a better use of magic than Viola, not to mention a killer voice from Matthew Mercer, but was rendered poorly and his final moveset felt incomplete, with an underutilized stance that would have made him leagues better if he had in-move transitions akin to... well, everyone else. Only Leixia and Xiba seem to fall flat, but I kind of want to put that down to how incomplete SC5 is, being a straight carbon-copy of her mother with less emotional investment from the player and a lame running joke with a lot of failed potential.

I'd be impressed if SC6 was actually a continuation of 5 that works out the kinks and gives the fans a little more of what they want.

 

[KasumiLover]

IMO, 5 was visually and musically the best SC game, with some of the best costume design overall since 3 and a very impressive soundtrack. As far as the new blood went, I liked most of them.

Natsu was Taki with a less ridiculous physique, a cocky attitude reminiscent of Cassandra, and Kate Higgins' voice work was great. Patroklos was hammy fun (although A.Pat was a terrible idea) and let me get my shield-bashing in. Pyrrha was almost as fun, with O.Pyrrha being even more so, and Laura Bailey can do no wrong. Viola... if her design get re-used for Amy next game, I will never drop that game. ZWEI's moveset was interesting, and a better use of magic than Viola, not to mention a killer voice from Matthew Mercer, but was rendered poorly and his final moveset felt incomplete, with an underutilized stance that would have made him leagues better if he had in-move transitions akin to... well, everyone else. Only Leixia and Xiba seem to fall flat, but I kind of want to put that down to how incomplete SC5 is, being a straight carbon-copy of her mother with less emotional investment from the player and a lame running joke with a lot of failed potential.

I'd be impressed if SC6 was actually a continuation of 5 that works out the kinks and gives the fans a little more of what they want.

My personal favorite SC will always be the 4th, followed by SC3 and SC2, but I agree, SC5 didn't play around when it came to killer music and visuals. The character relationship dialogue between certain characters also was great, and I liked how they actually panted while running on low health, and that heart beat when you were close to losing was too epic.

 

[Tyaren]

I think they will go back in time for SC6 and tell the story of how everything ended up like this in SC5. They specifically asked the fans what they want and the fans very clearly answered: Away with the newcomers and back with the veterans. They can't go even more forward in time or else nearly all veterans would be consisting of granpas and grannies and getting rid of the newcomers would also be problematic to explain.

 

[KasumiLover]

I think they will go back in time for SC6 and tell the story of how everything ended up like this in SC5. They specifically asked the fans what they want and the fans very clearly answered: Away with the newcomers and back with the veterans. They can't go even more forward in time or else nearly all veterans would be consisting of granpas and grannies and getting rid of the newcomers would also be problematic to explain.

If they do go back in time, won't that mean Nightmare will be dead, Cassandra is stranded in Astral Chaos, Seung Mina and Yun Seung go MIA because the war is over, and that Sophitia dies because she embedded that soul edge shard in pyrrha to save her? :-( They'll have to be very careful if they're not doing a time lapsed reboot.

 

[Tyaren]

If they do go back in time, won't that mean Nightmare will be dead, Cassandra is stranded in Astral Chaos, Seung Mina and Yun Seung go MIA because the war is over, and that Sophitia dies because she embedded that soul edge shard in pyrrha to save her? :-( They'll have to be very careful if they're not doing a time lapsed reboot.

Well, they could do lotsa things. The "story" of the Soul Calibur series is pretty open to interpretation anyway.

 

[Argentus]

I like how they reused some of Spawns animations (and stance) for Zwei but yeah he felt really incomplete. Like he only had the first half of all his moves implemented.


Viola is a nice change for Amy, but isn't she not supposed to age like Raphael, Maxi and Ivy?

Other newcomers were all crap.

 

[KasumiLover]

I liked Leixa, but why did they strip her of all her mother's good feints and parries? And Zwei was ok, but his move set was basically a half baked apple pie.

 

[ninjaguy446]

On Viola/Amy's aging...

Malfestation isn't necessarily vampirism and doesn't mean that if you're malfested, you're not going to age ever again. It affects everyone differently. Plus there are variables such as Amy being a child when she was infected, and she contracted it second hand by treating Raphael. When he left her, her skin was filled with black spots, so we also don't know what's going on there.

But of course I could be wrong and the reason Amy aged is because of something that happened when she chased after Raphael.

@Argentus Maxi and Ivy aren't malfested, Maxi has has a soul edge fragment lodged inside of him, and Ivy is a mixture of her cursed blood, alchemy and using an artificial soul.

 

[KasumiLover]

On Viola/Amy's aging...

Malfestation isn't necessarily vampirism and doesn't mean that if you're malfested, you're not going to age ever again. It affects everyone differently. Plus there are variables such as Amy being a child when she was infected, and she contracted it second hand by treating Raphael. When he left her, her skin was filled with black spots, so we also don't know what's going on there.

But of course I could be wrong and the reason Amy aged is because of something that happened when she chased after Raphael.

@Argentus Maxi and Ivy aren't malfested, Maxi has has a soul edge fragment lodged inside of him, and Ivy is a mixture of her cursed blood, alchemy and using an artificial soul.

Are you sure it wasn't vampirism? It was never outright stated, but the red eyes and pale skin, general vampiric design of the clothes, and the fact that they both utilize vampire bites in their move sets exhibit that theory to me, and their followers Marienbard and Jacqueline also have the pale skin and red eyes, which probably resulted from a bite. I think the reason why Raphael remains affected and Amy/Viola had the "curse" broken was because she wasn't in direct contact with soul edge, she got symptoms from treating Raphael's injuries.

Tira must have had some contact with soul edge as a servant, because she hasn't aged and skin is way paler in SC5.

 

[Argentus]

Also wtf was the point of saying yoshimitsu and astaroth are now 2nd versions?

It literally makes zero difference, its still the EXACT same character.

Its not like when other characters got replaces like Cassandra to sophitia, astaroth to rock, etc. Yoshimitsu the 2nd and Astaroth the 2nd are exactly the same as the originals.

Utterly pointless back story change.


And didn't they overhaul the design of the green haired girl in the conmans gang?

 

[KasumiLover]

What green haired girl? I know Dampierre had a gang, but they always seemed irrelevant to me in terms of importance. And Cassandra didn't technically replace Sophitia, only in terms of the SC2 arcade release. Cassandra is basically a faster, unsafer rushdown version of her sister with tacted on moves, while Sophie is more solid to me since she has a blunter move set and far less fluff and more practical counter attacks. They honestly need to stop with these younger "successors", don't they know the original is always best?(Except for Amy, who's far better than Raphael) That's why my sister prefers Cassandra and I use sophitia, because we both disagree as to who is the better choice.

 

[Xernuht]

Also wtf was the point of saying yoshimitsu and astaroth are now 2nd versions?

It literally makes zero difference, its still the EXACT same character.

Its not like when other characters got replaces like Cassandra to sophitia, astaroth to rock, etc. Yoshimitsu the 2nd and Astaroth the 2nd are exactly the same as the originals.

Utterly pointless back story change.


And didn't they overhaul the design of the green haired girl in the conmans gang?

For Yoshimitsu, it's establishing that his title is a legacy that is carried by many people between SC and Tekken. It's not that odd.
For Astaroth, I've got nothing. I believe they did it because they wanted Maxi to kill/defeat the original to bring him closure, but they then realized "That just leaves us with Rock. We hate Rock.", so they built 'Roth 2.0.

 

[Argentus]

For Yoshimitsu, it's establishing that his title is a legacy that is carried by many people between SC and Tekken. It's not that odd.
For Astaroth, I've got nothing. I believe they did it because they wanted Maxi to kill/defeat the original to bring him closure, but they then realized "That just leaves us with Rock. We hate Rock.", so they built 'Roth 2.0.

It hasn't really been a long enough time skip to warrant the next yoshimitsu, especially not by "I killed the first now I'm him".

As for roboroth, I mean...astaroth has looked totally different in every game so its a flimsy excuse. And I don't see how Maxi could tell its a different astorth so he'd keep hunting him anyway.


Only plus side is that it established Ashlotte as part of the canon.

 

[Tyaren]

Lol, I am always baffled at how there are people knowing the story and lore of fighting games so well when I played the exact same games and I have mostly no clue what is going on. XD It's like that for me in Soul Calibur, in Tekken and in DOA. You didn't get that information in the actual games, right? You must've looked that up online. o . O

 

[ninjaguy446]

Are you sure it wasn't vampirism? It was never outright stated, but the red eyes and pale skin, general vampiric design of the clothes, and the fact that they both utilize vampire bites in their move sets exhibit that theory to me, and their followers Marienbard and Jacqueline also have the pale skin and red eyes, which probably resulted from a bite. I think the reason why Raphael remains affected and Amy/Viola had the "curse" broken was because she wasn't in direct contact with soul edge, she got symptoms from treating Raphael's injuries.

Tira must have had some contact with soul edge as a servant, because she hasn't aged and skin is way paler in SC5.

It looks like vampirism, has most of its qualities, but it's not. It's Malfestation since it was inflicted by Soul Edge. And yes, Tira was there when SE and SC clashed in SC3/4 and that affected her.

 

[KasumiLover]

So it must affect everyone differently then, because SC4 Tira wasn't that pale and she just developed an extreme personality disorder.