Official Dead or Alive Xtreme Thread

Jadeinchains

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please, some next gen reveal

I know it 99.9% won't happen but I'd be really excited if somehow DOAX4 for PS4/5 was revealed ( with jet skis and the missing girls LISA back )

But again I know that won't happen lol sadly cause that would be amazing, I would be surprised if we don't at least get a new girl revealed for VV though. Not really sure what else they would reveal? Besides new outfits in general or something like a collab.
 

Yuffie

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Haven't kept up with VV, but I assumed the next dlc girl (assuming we get one, it's been almost 3 months) would be revealed in early December.

As much as I would love to see a next/current gen Doax game, it probably never happen to Sonys censorship policy.

I just hope at least one or two of the cut girls can make a return.
 
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Kasumi-Phase-X

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Kanna's Stella Virgo & Virgo Tiara

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Kanna's Night Fog

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Marie's Starry Night Goldfish Destruction

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otnesse

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Haven't kept up with VV, but I assumed the next dlc girl (assuming we get one, it's been almost 3 months) would be revealed in early December.

As much as I would love to see a next/current gen Doax game, it probably never happen to Sonys censorship policy.

I just hope at least one or two of the cut girls can make a return.
It's a toss up at this point regarding cut girls. Apparently the Director indicated that he might not add them in because there's not any DOA events in store to promote like a DOA7 or something, that Christie being evil might not have a chance at getting in (and this is despite a demon like Kanna who literally desires to rob you of your free will if she wins the festival is allowed in...), and even claiming they probably won't fall in love with the Owner (which if you ask me is stupid especially when technically none of the girls save for maybe Misaki, Tamaki, Fiona, and Sayuri actually fall in love with the Owner, but even still..). But on the other hand, they DID include as part of the stuff to look forward to next year in that third anniversary lead-in survey back in October the option of more girls from the main series (and I'd know, I made sure to select that bit in that survey and ignore the OC bit), which does point to them at least considering the possibility of adding the cut girls in (wouldn't even make that an option in that survey if they really didn't want it).
 
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HHH816

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What to do, tina only hang out with lisa and mila.lisa had bad term with helena. Christie had bad term with everyone
 

hardseppo

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Some popular quotes from yesterday's stream. And no, the cut girls are not in because of no cross-promo possiblities @otnesse . The statement regarding that from Director Sakuta is much more interesting.

.) Sayuri's 4th suit is one of the Director's Top 5, but not released yet - will release next month.
.) total of 280 SSR suits have been released in the game's lifetime
.) Tsukushi free will not release in 2020
.) Regarding the Stella suits: we somehow ran out of ideas at the later half of Stella suits actually...
.) about super lewd suits - host: as female, we're also thinking on how to wear these swimsuits in real life
.) regarding "Fluffy Foam" Sakuta said: we didn't expect we've arrived to this point of the design, but heck we did it
.) We'll keep on making more swimsuits with designs with female players also liking them. There's a lot of designs that were rejected so we had to do a lot of redesigns as well (sounds kinda like bad news)
.) In Stream they were asked about increasing the amount of V-Stones they get from the paid packs, so that you can pull more, but just end with laughters (typical)
.) About new hairstyles: kinda hard to focus on the new hairstyles due to the weekly update. But they are very glad the fans are happy with Tamaki's new hairstyle.
.) the guy who won last year's "Cute" category in swimsuit contest, won again this year in "Cute". Both suits are awesome btw :p

And most important about adding the original, cut Girls. When asked about that, he got kinda uncomfortable and his words didn't sound much better either: "We need to consider the settings on the characters before adding them into the game, such as how the girls will like the owner (player) etc."

So in other words, making new characters is easier for them since they don't have to rely on any complicated implementation of backstories. They just write some new and innovative stuff like a Nurse, a girl from another Island or an Oni...

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otnesse

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Some popular quotes from yesterday's stream. And no, the cut girls are not in because of no cross-promo possiblities @otnesse . The statement regarding that from Director Sakuta is much more interesting.

.) Sayuri's 4th suit is one of the Director's Top 5, but not released yet - will release next month.
.) total of 280 SSR suits have been released in the game's lifetime
.) Tsukushi free will not release in 2020
.) Regarding the Stella suits: we somehow ran out of ideas at the later half of Stella suits actually...
.) about super lewd suits - host: as female, we're also thinking on how to wear these swimsuits in real life
.) regarding "Fluffy Foam" Sakuta said: we didn't expect we've arrived to this point of the design, but heck we did it
.) We'll keep on making more swimsuits with designs with female players also liking them. There's a lot of designs that were rejected so we had to do a lot of redesigns as well (sounds kinda like bad news)
.) In Stream they were asked about increasing the amount of V-Stones they get from the paid packs, so that you can pull more, but just end with laughters (typical)
.) About new hairstyles: kinda hard to focus on the new hairstyles due to the weekly update. But they are very glad the fans are happy with Tamaki's new hairstyle.
.) the guy who won last year's "Cute" category in swimsuit contest, won again this year in "Cute". Both suits are awesome btw :p

And most important about adding the original, cut Girls. When asked about that, he got kinda uncomfortable and his words didn't sound much better either: "We need to consider the settings on the characters before adding them into the game, such as how the girls will like the owner (player) etc."

So in other words, making new characters is easier for them since they don't have to rely on any complicated implementation of backstories. They just write some new and innovative stuff like a Nurse, a girl from another Island or an Oni...

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Yeah, I know, but apparently one of the reasons he gave was that they wanted Leifang to get in because of DOA6's announcement at the time, indicating cross-promo bits had something to do about it. At least, that's what Bai indicated (something about three excuses) and also PufftheMagicDragoon (he's the one who mentioned the cross-promo for DOA6).

And personally, I'm not even sure what would be a major issue regarding backstories. Kokoro literally referenced her running away from her mom in Xtreme 2 in one of Fiona's episodes, and Hitomi and Leifang even referenced their infamous cabbage fight from DOA4, and I'm pretty sure that it shouldn't be difficult for Tina, for example, to fall head over heels for the Owner regarding her backstory of wanting to attain stardom in various ways, or Rachel to at least grow to respect the Owner enough regarding her backstory about being a part-fiend fiend hunter, or even having Christie befriend the Owner despite being a notorious assassin (heck, in the case of Christie, she actually befriended Eliot in DOA4 and was generally affable towards him in that game and DOA5. I'm pretty sure it can be very plausible to actually have her be affable to the Owner). Heck, they managed to have the girls from the main games already in the game fall for the owner despite their backstories not necessarily allowing for that (Kasumi, being a runaway Shinobi who's constantly in hiding from her clan, even when technically having mended fences with them by DOA5, isn't exactly the type to let herself enter any relationship with a guy long term for example). If even a person clinically diagnosed with high-functioning autism like me (ie, someone who most certainly would have difficult reading emotions or understanding human interactions) can see how to implement them with backstories with no real issue, I'm pretty sure a guy who I'd presume is neurotypical could do the same if not see an even better reason to add them in.

Besides, other than Fiona, Misaki, Tamaki, and perhaps Sayuri, it's not like many of the new girls really like the Owner in the sense Sakuta D's talking about, either. Nagisa barely even tolerates the Owner and at one point tried to outright kill him for walking in on her bathing by accident, Tsukushi seems more enamored with the actual girls on the island than with the Owner himself, Luna's... Luna, and Monica seemed more concerned with getting her own Casino than being the Owner's girlfriend.

On the plus side, the fact that they included it in that leadup survey for the third anniversary as something the fans could select as something for the future does point to them at least being open to the idea, so it's not a firm no just yet.

What to do, tina only hang out with lisa and mila.lisa had bad term with helena. Christie had bad term with everyone
To be fair, Ayane and Helena aren't exactly on the best terms either (heck, Helena nearly tried to kill Ayane to avenge her mother in DOA2 after mistaking her for Christie, especially after the latter basically gave a sarcastic retort in response), yet those two worked together in DOAXVV, with it even being stated that they're only putting aside their differences because of the Owner. Heck, Nyotengu and Kanna have about as bad of terms as Helena/Christie, nearly getting into blows in Kanna's debut event and requiring Momiji to act as peacemaker and beating them in tag before things got serious and making the two get along. If those two can be made to get along despite practically hating each other (or at least Kanna hating Nyotengu), and don't get me started on how most of the girls barely tolerate Tamaki's presence especially given her more notorious reputation of groping them. I'm pretty sure they'll find some way for Christie to get along with the other girls. Besides, DOA6 had Lisa and Helena pretty much mending the fence, and even implied Lisa's been on Helena's side since DOA4. Not to mention Hitomi and Leifang generally hang out with each other the most, yet even they managed to develop some relationships with other characters in the game (heck, Leifang outright mentored Misaki regarding overcoming shyness). I'm pretty sure they can think of something to expand Tina, Mila, and Lisa's interactions.

In fact, it's actually a bit easier to have Tina interact with more people than just Lisa and Mila. Let's not forget that Tina has a friendly rivalry with Leifang since DOA2 regarding differing philosophies of Power, so there's that to consider, and going by Honoka's in-character interview in Famitsu as well as DOA6, she's a huge fangirl of Tina and Bass, so she not only can interact with Tina in a friendly manner, but also interact with Mila regarding that bit, and even Lisa we could have them befriending partly due to their friendship/fangirling with Tina, and also being curious about Honoka's mimicry abilities due to being a researcher herself. Rachel, aside from interactions with Momiji obviously, could also have a bit of slightly awkward reactions with the likes of Nyotengu and Kanna due to her fiend-hunting profession. And I'm pretty sure Rachel could also interact with Ayane (since they did work together in her debut game), and even be acquainted with Kasumi as well. If I could figure those bits out, I'm pretty sure everyone else could, as well, especially the director.
 
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Yuffie

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Found the interview here. Not sure if it's the same one from the stream.

Even the reporter said that there are many requests for the cut cast and the director knew.

I didn't notice this but the development time between Sayuri and Patty was about 5 months due to corona. We may or may not see any more new characters but I'm pretty sure the game will still be updated.

My thoughts on the interview. I'm glad they acknowledged that the cut cast is requested but sucks that it's harder apparantly to re use older characters due to making new back stories.
I don't understand that excuse/reason because they been in past DOAX games except Mila and Rachel.
 

otnesse

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Found the interview here. Not sure if it's the same one from the stream.

Even the reporter said that there are many requests for the cut cast and the director knew.

I didn't notice this but the development time between Sayuri and Patty was about 5 months due to corona. We may or may not see any more new characters but I'm pretty sure the game will still be updated.

My thoughts on the interview. I'm glad they acknowledged that the cut cast is requested but sucks that it's harder apparantly to re use older characters due to making new back stories.
I don't understand that excuse/reason because they been in past DOAX games except Mila and Rachel.
Yeah, and even with Mila and Rachel, it shouldn't be too hard to make any backstories there. I mean, it's not like they can't have Mila deciding to just accompany Tina for a vacation to know more about her, and maybe focus a bit on the beauty bits as required for the festival (like Hitomi for starters) or have Rachel simply decide to take a break from Fiend Hunting, or heck, even ponder the possibility of getting somewhat stronger and maybe deciding to do the beauty bits as a way to help further avoid letting her fiend blood take her over like her sister Alma.

And yeah, I kind of figured Sayuri and Patty had difficulty due to how long Sayuri took to be released for free (to say little about how Patty took so long they actually had to give her a Special Day initially). I'd presume Tsukushi had to take a similar length of time as well.

Did they give any hints on why they created Sayuri, Tsukushi, and Patty (Corona-related delays aside, I mean)? I know with Fiona, they created her to represent "Owner Love" and had her stand out from the other girls in terms of relationship status with the Owner a bit by having her lovestruck, Nagisa was created primarily to be a foil for Fiona regarding "Owner Love", Luna was mainly a foil for Misaki in overall outlook and an excuse to bring back the Jungle, Tamaki was meant to be Sakuta D's ideal woman, Kanna was mainly to spice things up and give Nyotengu some backstory, and Monica was mostly an excuse to bring back the Casino.
 

UpSideDownGRUNT

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The excuse is a really bad one, it's harder to reuse assets than to make new girls what? Also since when did TN care about preserving backstories and personality in Xtreme? If that was the case half the cast wouldn't act like they do lol.
 

otnesse

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The excuse is a really bad one, it's harder to reuse assets than to make new girls what? Also since when did TN care about preserving backstories and personality in Xtreme? If that was the case half the cast wouldn't act like they do lol.
Well, to be fair, DOAXVV is definitely the first time they actually BOTHERED to keep to backstories and personalities to a greater degree (Ayane clearly isn't even interested in reporting Kasumi to the clan in this game, for example, which fits in with DOA5 and DOA6, contrast with DOAX3 where, excuse to go on a vacation or not, there was no real reason for her to go onto Zack Island to investigate Kasumi's possible sighting there especially when Kasumi and her clan had already buried the hatchet between the two after DOA4 anyhow.). But even still, I'm pretty sure they can find a way to do it WITHOUT keeping the cut girls cut. Heck, in the main games, Ayane and Helena aren't friends at all and probably are not even very likely to see eye to eye since their first meeting in DOA2, yet in DOAXVV, they had the two working together during the festival in I think Leifang's event, and even made sure to address that bit by specifically stating they're only working together to help the Owner bring about the festival, put aside differences in other words. They could easily use the same justification regarding Christie if that's necessary. Heck, they already did with Nyotengu and Kanna, and those two outright HATED each other, or at least Kanna hated Nyotengu.

Maybe one of us could do a Twitlonger post to the DOAXVV twitter thread addressing those specific points, even suggesting actual ways to bring them in that don't violate backstories. I know I've got plenty of ideas for that, and even point out that if a minor fan like me who has something that's deemed socially deficient by the public could come up with ways to bring them in without violating backstories, I'm definitely sure that he can do the same.

And besides, they brought in that Jungle area despite it not even being in DOAX3 (being one of the previous stuff from past entries that they cut), and reused Rock Climbing, Pool Hopping, casinos, and even butt battle recently from DOAX3. I'm pretty sure Tina, Mila, Rachel, Lisa, and Christie are easy to implement by comparison.
 

otnesse

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Hope Famigeki posts the scans for the latest coverage of the 3rd anniversary. There's a treasure trove of information there, especially when they've done a print version:
 

hardseppo

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Nyotengu Birthday 2020 Extra Episode (Bouquet Camellia SSR) with lotions

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Nyotengu Birthday 2020 Flower Sequence (Bouquet Camellia SSR) with lotions

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otnesse

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Siliconera (not one of my favorite sources, but hey, someone noted it, so might as well make a mention of it) apparently expands a bit on what Sakuta D. meant by it being harder regarding backstories to add cut girls than doing clean slates, as he mentioned that Leifang had a canonical romantic leaning towards Jann Lee for why she was hard to implement.


However, the problem is that Leifang of the cut girls is the only one to actually HAVE any canonical romantic interests, as none of the girls seem to have any real romance at all.

Christie, for example, seems to view Donovan more as a client (and in DOA4 and Dimensions has even implied she would turn against him willingly), and even with Rig, she acts more like his "handler", or more accurately, his trigger since she awakens his Donovan Jr. persona and has little if any actual romantic inclinations towards him. And obviously she and Bayman have a terrible working relationship as well, being more likely to get into fights than being friends, let alone lovers. I guess the closest she has to any good relationships is with Eliot, and even there she's more affable rather than truly romantic towards him (while Eliot does have at least some romantic inclinations towards her).

Rachel barely has any real interest in romance, and while she does look up to Ryu Hayabusa, it's more in a sense of camaraderie than actual romance, especially when canonically he's hooked up with Irene Lew.

Mila's interactions towards Bass are more that of a huge fangirl (and while you COULD infer a fangirl crush there, there's still nothing indicating an actual canonical romance there). Now, that being said, you COULD argue that she and Diego have a romance blossoming in DOA6, but it's unconfirmed if they are anything other than friends (especially not when a PR post by KT Europe made it sound as though Diego was gay and likely not even interested in girls anyhow. Would actually prefer it if Diego and Mila actually were canonically romantic with each other since I really hated that twitter post, but nevertheless...).

Lisa I don't recall ever having any real interest in romance, being more busy towards lab work.

Tina, while pretty obviously straight overall, also really hasn't shown any real interest in romance either, and heck, the closest she actually had to any romantic elements with anyone was with Zack, and even there it was one sided on his part, with Tina viewing him more as a friend at most. Especially now that Zack's strongly implied to essentially either at least be in a relationship with Helena or at the very least have feelings for her that Helena has at least some awareness of based on the ending to Xtreme 3.

If anything, it would be a lot easier by comparison to add in the other cut girls precisely BECAUSE they have no confirmed romantic relationships.

Besides, Hitomi also has a canonical romantic relationship as well: Ein/Hayate. And there was no issue trying to add her into the game, whether she was originally in Xtreme 3 or not.

In any case, am working on a Twitlonger post directed to DOAXVV Staff Twitter, and am making sure to translate it into Japanese to ensure they can read it. Here's what I've gotten thus far:

作田ヤスニに。DOAXVV(すなわち、ティナ、ミラ、レイチェル、クリスティとリサ)にカットの女の子に追加するあなたの明らかな困難に関して、私はそれらのトラブルを克服する方法についていくつかの提案を提供することができます。特に、1つの問題は、特にヤン・リーの形に対するレイファンの正規の愛の関心を理由に、女の子が実際に所有者のようになるように確立されたバックストーリーを調整する方法です。しかし、他のカットの女の子は実際には愛の興味を持っていません。

ティナとリサは確かに私が知る限り、ザックとのやり取りが私が知る限りプラトニックである(特にヘレナのためのエクトレメ3の結末は、彼が彼女と関係を持っているかもしれないことを意味するとき、または少なくとも彼女は彼女に対する彼の気持ちをしっかりと認識している)、私の知る限り、愛の興味を持っていません。

ミラは単にバスアームストロングにファンガールのクラッシュを持っており、彼女はディエゴといくつかの相互作用を持っていますが、彼らのどちらかがお互いにロマンチックに興味を持っていることを意味するものは何もありません。

レイチェルは、忍者外伝とDOA5の彼女のホームシリーズでリュ・ハヤブサを尊敬していますが、特にカノン的に、ハヤブサリュウがアイリーン・ルーとロマンチックに関わっているとき、モミジのようにロマンチックな尊敬の仲間らしいタイプであることが暗示されています。

最後に、クリスティに関しては、私は彼女が誰にもロマンチックな興味を持ったことを本当に思い出しません。彼女は確かにリグ・ドノヴァンと一緒にいませんでした, クライアントとして彼女をより多くを見て, どちらかといえば, デッドまたはアライブディメンションとデッドまたはアライブ4の両方は強く彼女は機会を与えられた場合、ドノバンに対して回すことを暗示しました.そして、リグに関しては、彼女は実際のロマンチックなパートナーよりも、彼のハンドラー、というかむしろ彼の引き金です。おそらく、彼女が愛の興味に最も近いのはエリオットであり、そこでも、彼女自身が実際に彼に興味を持っているよりも彼に愛想が良いので、それは主に彼と一方的です。

簡単に言えば、彼ら自身が他の誰かに持っている任意の正規の愛の興味、少なくとも、彼らが欠けているためにレイファンを追加するよりも、カットの女の子の残りの部分に追加する方がはるかに簡単です。

また、ひとみはアイン/ハヤテの形で同様に正規の愛の関心を持っていることを忘れないようにしましょう、そして彼女は技術的に事前にDOAX3に登場したとしても問題なく含まれています。

一般的にバックストーリーに関しては、キヤノンの愛の興味がなくても、所有者と矛盾することなく、それらを追加する方法をいくつか考えることができます。祭りの主なポイントは、女性の美しさと強さを祝うものですよね?まあ、単に全体的に様々な女の子のためにそれを使用してください。モミジとひとみは、少なくとも美しさに関する問題のために最初は参加することをためらっていたので、レイチェルは美しさに焦点を当てるタイプではないので、同じ問題を抱えることを許されるかもしれません。

実際、私はおそらく、彼らがフェスティバルに参加したいと思わせる方法をいくつか与えることができます。

ティナにとって、彼女はフェスティバルに参加し、彼女が持っている新しい夢の足がかりとしてそれを見ているので、それを獲得することを決めたかもしれません(DOA6が法的に若すぎて立候補できないという理由でそれをあきらめたことを暗示したので、知事になる可能性があります)。たぶん、この間に所有者のためにいくつかの真の尊敬を得て、おそらく彼女の夢を得た後、彼に妻になりたいと認めます。

ミラにとって、もう少し強さに焦点を当てているかもしれないが、まだ必要に応じて美しさに興味を示しているが、多分彼女のストーリーモードのひとみのような美しさの要素についていくつかの不確実性を持っているか、または彼女のストーリーモードでモミジはある程度。たぶん、ティナの存在は、彼女がティナのファンガールであるので、同様に島に行く彼女のための動機付け要因です。所有者と一緒に落ちる限り、多分彼女は彼の翼の下に彼女を取るための所有者のためのいくつかの尊敬を開発し、多分また、時には美しさが戦いを妨げないことを彼女に教えています。

レイチェルは、私が言ったように、彼女のフィーンド狩りのスキルを磨く必要がある以外は、彼女の呪われた血に屈しないことをさらに保証したいので、彼女はまた、彼女の美しさを高めたいので、彼女の美しさをあまり気にしていないにもかかわらず、おそらく彼女の参加を持っています。オーナーに関しては、彼女が実際に交流したモミジとリュウ以外の最初の人であり、彼女が最終的に彼の周りにリラックスして、彼女の呪われた血から逃げるよりも人生にもう少しあるかもしれないことに気づいたので、彼女は彼の周りに少し恥ずかしがり屋かもしれません。

リサのために、彼女はアヤネとヘレナが島に行ったのと本質的に同じ理由で島に行くことができました:すなわち、島で起こっている可能性のある陰謀を調査します。たぶん、美しさと強さのビットに関するいくつかの科学的好奇心を持っています。そして、所有者とのやり取りに関しては、多分彼女が所有者に開かれているヘレナに同様の弧を与えますが、上品な方法で。

そして最後に、クリスティにとって、基本的に彼女はアヤネとヘレナと同じ理由で金星諸島に行くようにします:MISTに代わって陰謀を調査するか(とにかくゲームの中にまだあると仮定して)、またはおそらく所有者をターゲットにする仕事の一環としてそこに行く(ドノバンのためであろうと、彼とは無関係の誰かはあなた次第です)彼と会って金星祭りを知り、美しさと強さを扱った後、彼女はフェスティバルが終わったらオーナーを殺すという考えをいじりながら、彼女が自分の目的のためにフェスティバルに参加するという条件の下で、当分の間彼を惜しむことにしました。ああ、そして多分彼女は彼女が彼を殺すことに関する第二の考えを持つことに近づく程度に彼女のキャラクターのエピソードを通して所有者のための本物の感情を開発しています。それは潜在的な所有者のロマンスを扱うかなりユニークな方法であり、人を殺すつもりだった人が彼らと恋に落ちてしまうのはかなり一般的なトロープです。その良い例は、最初はパルパティーンの最後の指揮の一部として彼を殺すつもりだったにもかかわらず、スターウォーズのためのディズニー拡張宇宙の材料でルーク・スカイウォーカーのために落ちたマラ・ジェイドと彼女の彼女です, または多分オースティンパワーズからイヴァナ・ハンパロット: 私を揺さぶったスパイ, オースティンを殺すために博士によって派遣されたスパイしかし、彼とチェスをした後、彼とセックスをしたいと思い、夢中のために手術を続けた。

そして、一体、追加のインセンティブを投げるために、私はカットの女の子がすでにゲームに入っている女の子を介して相互作用を持つことができる方法を挙げることさえできます。例えば、ティナ・アームストロングと一緒に、彼女は彼らの両方が元ファッションモデルであったため、玉木と友好的なライバル関係を持つことができた。ファミツによると、ホノカは巨大なティナのファンガールなので、ティナとミラと交流し、ファンガールのティナに関して後者と友好的なライバル関係に巻き込まれることさえできた。さらに、ホノカの確立されたプロゲーマーなので、ティナ自身がゲーマーである方法についてのあいまいな側面をもたらすのにも役立ちます。レイチェルにとって、明らかにモミジとの交流を除けば、彼女はフィーンドハンターとしての地位のためにニョテングとカンナとやや厄介なやり取りをすることができ、それでも彼女の休暇のゲストとして天狗とオニを容認する必要があります。リサは、ミラとティナ、そしておそらくヘレナとの絆を除いて、両方がデビューゲームで技術的に同じ役割を果たしていたので、美咲とも交流し、仲良くなる可能性があります。たぶん、ルナとサウリとも結びついて、主に前者の学者の要素と後者の看護師のために。そして、彼女の科学的背景のために彼女の模倣の性質に興味を持っているため、ホノカとの絆を持っているかもしれません。クリスティでさえ、彼女が女の子と対話できる一つの方法を持っているかもしれません。一つには、マリー・ローズとクリスティが交流しているのかもしれない、特に技術的にヘレナのために働いていたときには、前者と現在の召使いがどのように相互作用するかを見るのは良いことです。確かに、マリー・ローズは、彼らが参照されるならば、DOA6の出来事のために間違いなく彼女を警戒するだろうが、再び、彼女はタマキを警戒していた、それは本当に彼らが相互作用するのを止めなかった。そして、ルナとクリスティとの物理的な類似点のために、多分彼らも交流させるかもしれません。そして、それは私が特定の時間に思いついた例のほんの一握りです。誰が知っている、多分あなたはカットの女の子がキャストの残りの部分と対話するためのさらに多くの方法を思い付くでしょう。

Translation:

to Yasunori Sakuta. In regards to your apparent difficulties adding in the cut girls to DOAXVV (ie, Tina, Mila, Rachel, Christie and Lisa), I can offer some suggestions regarding how to overcome those troubles. You mentioned in particular that one problem is how to reconcile established backstories to have the girls actually like the Owner, citing in particular Leifang's canonical love interest in the form of Jann Lee as one reason. However, the other cut girls don't actually have any love interests.

Tina and Lisa certainly don't have any love interests as far as I know, with her interactions with Zack being platonic so far as I can tell (especially when Xtreme 3's ending for Helena implies that if anything, he might be in a relationship with her, or at the very least she's firmly aware of his feelings for her).

Mila merely has a fangirl crush on Bass Armstrong, and while she does have some interactions with Diego, there's nothing canonically pointing to either of them being romantically interested in each other.

Rachel does have a large degree of respect for Ryu Hayabusa in her home series of Ninja Gaiden and DOA5, but it's implied to be more of a camaraderie type of respect than romantic, like with Momiji, especially when canonically, Ryu Hayabusa is romantically involved with Irene Lew.

Lastly, regarding Christie, I don't really recall her ever having any romantic interests in anyone. She certainly didn't with Rig Donovan, viewing her more as a client, and if anything, both Dead or Alive Dimensions and Dead or Alive 4 strongly implied she'd turn against Donovan if given the opportunity. And as far as Rig, she's more of his handler, or rather, his trigger than an actual romantic partner. Probably the closest she has to any love interests is Eliot, and even there, it's mostly one-sided with him, as she herself is more affable to him than actually romantically interested in him.

To put it simply, it's actually a lot easier to add in the rest of the cut girls than it is to add Leifang due to them lacking any canonical love interests, at least, any love interests that they themselves have to someone else.

Besides, let's not forget that Hitomi has a canonical love interest as well in the form of Ein/Hayate, and she's included without problems even if she did technically appear in DOAX3 beforehand.

Regarding backstories in general, eh, I can think up of a couple of ways to add them in without it conflicting with the owner even without canon love interests. The main point of the festivals are about a celebration of a woman's beauty and strength, right? Well, simply use that for the various girls overall. I know Momiji and Hitomi at least were hesitant to join initially because of issues regarding beauty, so Rachel could be allowed to have that same issue as well, maybe Mila, since they're not the types to focus on beauty.

In fact, I can probably give a couple of ways for having them want to join the Festival, heck, even fall for the Owner if needs be.

For Tina, maybe have her decide to join the festival and win it because she sees it as a stepping stone for whatever new dream she has (could be Governor, could be something else since DOA6 implied she gave that one up due to being legally too young to run for office). Maybe gain some genuine respect for the Owner during this time and admit to possibly wanting to become a wife to him after gaining her dream.

For Mila, maybe have her focus more on the strength bit a little more, though still show some interest in beauty as required, maybe have some uncertainty about the beauty elements, like Hitomi in her story mode, or to an extent Momiji in her story mode. Maybe even have Tina's presence be a motivating factor for her going to the island as well, since she's a Tina fangirl. As far as falling with the Owner, maybe have her develop some respect for the Owner for taking her under his wing, maybe also teaching her that sometimes beauty doesn't hamper fighting.

For Rachel, like I said, probably have her join despite not really caring too much about beauty per-se because, aside from needing to hone her Fiend-hunting skills, she also wants to also enhance her beauty because she wants to further ensure she does not succumb to her cursed blood, still being affected by how Alma let her Fiend blood corrupt her and being forced alongside Ryu Hayabusa to take her out. As far as the Owner, maybe have her be slightly shy around him, mostly because he's the first person besides Momiji and Ryu that she's actually interacted with, and maybe have her eventually relax around him and realize maybe there's a bit more to life than being on the run from her cursed blood.

For Lisa, she could go to the island for essentially the same reason why Ayane and Helena went to the island: Namely, investigate a possible conspiracy that's going on at the island. Maybe also have some scientific curiosity regarding the beauty and strength bit. And as far as her interactions with the Owner, maybe give her a similar arc to Helena, where she is open to the Owner, but in a classy way.

And finally, for Christie, basically have her go to the Venus Islands for the same reason as Ayane and Helena: Investigate a conspiracy on behalf of MIST (assuming that's still around in the game anyway), or even just go there as part of a job of possibly targeting the Owner (whether it be for Donovan or someone unrelated to him is up to you), but after meeting with him and learning of the Venus Festival and it dealing with beauty and strength, she decides to spare him for the time being under the condition that she participate in the festival for her own ends, while toying with the idea of killing the Owner after the festival concludes. Oh, and maybe have her develop genuine feelings for the Owner throughout her character episodes to the extent that she comes close to having second thoughts regarding killing him. That would be a fairly unique way of handling a potential Owner romance, plus it's a fairly common trope where someone who intended to kill a person ends up falling in love with them. A good example of it is Mara Jade and her falling for Luke Skywalker in the pre-Disney Expanded Universe materials for Star Wars despite initially intending to kill him as part of Palpatine's final command, or maybe Ivana Humpalot from Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, who was dispatched by Dr. Evil to kill Austin and lure him into a trap, but after playing chess with him, ended up just wanting to have sex with him and forgoing the operation due to infatuation.

And heck, to throw in added incentive, I can even cite ways the cut girls can have interactions via the girls already in the game, stuff that if anything would aid tremendously in their backstories. For example, with Tina Armstrong, she could have a friendly rivalry with Tamaki due to the both of them having been former fashion models. Since Honoka according to Famitsu is a huge Tina fangirl, she could also interact with Tina as well as Mila, even engage in a friendly rivalry with the latter regarding fangirling Tina. Plus, since Honoka's an established pro-gamer, it would also help to bring about an obscure aspect about how Tina herself is a gamer, maybe have her give Honoka a serious edge on that front. For Rachel, aside from obviously interacting with Momiji, she could also have a somewhat awkward interaction with Nyotengu and Kanna due to her status as a Fiend hunter, and yet having to tolerate a Tengu and an Oni as her vacation guests. Lisa, aside from bonding with Mila and Tina, and possibly also Helena, could also end up interacting with and befriending Misaki as well, since both did technically serve the same roles in their debut games. Maybe also bond with Luna and Sayuri as well, largely because of the former's scholar elements, and the latter's a nurse. And heck, maybe also have her bond with Honoka due to being curious about her copycat nature due to her scientific background. Even Christie might have one way she can interact with the girls. For one thing, maybe have Marie Rose and Christie interact, especially when both technically worked for Helena at some point, and would be nice to see how the former and current servants interact. Granted, Marie Rose would definitely be wary of her due to the events of DOA6 if they are to be referenced, but then again, she was wary of Tamaki, and that really didn't stop them from interacting. And due to Luna's similarities physically to Christie, maybe have them interact as well. And that's just a handful of examples I could come up with at a given time. Who knows, maybe you'll come up with even more ways for the cut girls to interact with the rest of the cast.
Bear in mind that even with Bing Translator as its own tab, I still need to make sure I take care of text limits (5000 in that case), so it's far from completed, and that's not even getting into how I need to make absolute sure I find a translator to make sure I get it translated well rather than machine fed.

EDIT: Managed to get two parts done. All I need to do is a fitting conclusion, maybe even point out that I'm autistic, which has the stigma of being deemed defective by society (regardless of whether I myself agree with it), so if even someone deemed defective by society like me could come up with these ideas, I'm pretty sure the likes of Sakuta D. could come up with similar stuff for the cut girls easily. Then again, that might not be good form, so who knows?

EDIT 2: Had to space out several things due to text limits on Discord when contacting one of the translators, so here's a new version:

作田ヤスニに。DOAXVV(すなわち、ティナ、ミラ、レイチェル、クリスティとリサ)にカットの女の子に追加するあなたの明らかな困難に関して、私はそれらのトラブルを克服する方法についていくつかの提案を提供することができます。特に、1つの問題は、特にヤン・リーの形に対するレイファンの正規の愛の関心を理由に、女の子が実際に所有者のようになるように確立されたバックストーリーを調整する方法です。しかし、他のカットの女の子は実際には愛の興味を持っていません。

ティナとリサは確かに私が知る限り、ザックとのやり取りが私が知る限りプラトニックである(特にヘレナのためのエクトレメ3の結末は、彼が彼女と関係を持っているかもしれないことを意味するとき、または少なくとも彼女は彼女に対する彼の気持ちをしっかりと認識している)、私の知る限り、愛の興味を持っていません。

ミラは単にバスアームストロングにファンガールのクラッシュを持っており、彼女はディエゴといくつかの相互作用を持っていますが、彼らのどちらかがお互いにロマンチックに興味を持っていることを意味するものは何もありません。

レイチェルは、忍者外伝とDOA5の彼女のホームシリーズでリュ・ハヤブサを尊敬していますが、特にカノン的に、ハヤブサリュウがアイリーン・ルーとロマンチックに関わっているとき、モミジのようにロマンチックな尊敬の仲間らしいタイプであることが暗示されています。

最後に、クリスティに関しては、私は彼女が誰にもロマンチックな興味を持ったことを本当に思い出しません。彼女は確かにリグ・ドノヴァンと一緒にいませんでした, クライアントとして彼女をより多くを見て, どちらかといえば, デッドまたはアライブディメンションとデッドまたはアライブ4の両方は強く彼女は機会を与えられた場合、ドノバンに対して回すことを暗示しました.そして、リグに関しては、彼女は実際のロマンチックなパートナーよりも、彼のハンドラー、というかむしろ彼の引き金です。おそらく、彼女が愛の興味に最も近いのはエリオットであり、そこでも、彼女自身が実際に彼に興味を持っているよりも彼に愛想が良いので、それは主に彼と一方的です。

簡単に言えば、彼ら自身が他の誰かに持っている任意の正規の愛の興味、少なくとも、彼らが欠けているためにレイファンを追加するよりも、カットの女の子の残りの部分に追加する方がはるかに簡単です。

また、ひとみはアイン/ハヤテの形で同様に正規の愛の関心を持っていることを忘れないようにしましょう、そして彼女は技術的に事前にDOAX3に登場したとしても問題なく含まれています。

一般的にバックストーリーに関しては、キヤノンの愛の興味がなくても、所有者と矛盾することなく、それらを追加する方法をいくつか考えることができます。祭りの主なポイントは、女性の美しさと強さを祝うものですよね?まあ、単に全体的に様々な女の子のためにそれを使用してください。モミジとひとみは、少なくとも美しさに関する問題のために最初は参加することをためらっていたので、レイチェルは美しさに焦点を当てるタイプではないので、同じ問題を抱えることを許されるかもしれません。

実際、私はおそらく、彼らがフェスティバルに参加したいと思わせる方法をいくつか与えることができます。

ティナにとって、彼女はフェスティバルに参加し、彼女が持っている新しい夢の足がかりとしてそれを見ているので、それを獲得することを決めたかもしれません(DOA6が法的に若すぎて立候補できないという理由でそれをあきらめたことを暗示したので、知事になる可能性があります)。たぶん、この間に所有者のためにいくつかの真の尊敬を得て、おそらく彼女の夢を得た後、彼に妻になりたいと認めます。

ミラにとって、もう少し強さに焦点を当てているかもしれないが、まだ必要に応じて美しさに興味を示しているが、多分彼女のストーリーモードのひとみのような美しさの要素についていくつかの不確実性を持っているか、または彼女のストーリーモードでモミジはある程度。たぶん、ティナの存在は、彼女がティナのファンガールであるので、同様に島に行く彼女のための動機付け要因です。所有者と一緒に落ちる限り、多分彼女は彼の翼の下に彼女を取るための所有者のためのいくつかの尊敬を開発し、多分また、時には美しさが戦いを妨げないことを彼女に教えています。

レイチェルは、私が言ったように、彼女のフィーンド狩りのスキルを磨く必要がある以外は、彼女の呪われた血に屈しないことをさらに保証したいので、彼女はまた、彼女の美しさを高めたいので、彼女の美しさをあまり気にしていないにもかかわらず、おそらく彼女の参加を持っています。オーナーに関しては、彼女が実際に交流したモミジとリュウ以外の最初の人であり、彼女が最終的に彼の周りにリラックスして、彼女の呪われた血から逃げるよりも人生にもう少しあるかもしれないことに気づいたので、彼女は彼の周りに少し恥ずかしがり屋かもしれません。

リサのために、彼女はアヤネとヘレナが島に行ったのと本質的に同じ理由で島に行くことができました:すなわち、島で起こっている可能性のある陰謀を調査します。たぶん、美しさと強さのビットに関するいくつかの科学的好奇心を持っています。そして、所有者とのやり取りに関しては、多分彼女が所有者に開かれているヘレナに同様の弧を与えますが、上品な方法で。

そして最後に、クリスティにとって、基本的に彼女はアヤネとヘレナと同じ理由で金星諸島に行くようにします:MISTに代わって陰謀を調査するか(とにかくゲームの中にまだあると仮定して)、またはおそらく所有者をターゲットにする仕事の一環としてそこに行く(ドノバンのためであろうと、彼とは無関係の誰かはあなた次第です)彼と会って金星祭りを知り、美しさと強さを扱った後、彼女はフェスティバルが終わったらオーナーを殺すという考えをいじりながら、彼女が自分の目的のためにフェスティバルに参加するという条件の下で、当分の間彼を惜しむことにしました。ああ、そして多分彼女は彼女が彼を殺すことに関する第二の考えを持つことに近づく程度に彼女のキャラクターのエピソードを通して所有者のための本物の感情を開発しています。それは潜在的な所有者のロマンスを扱うかなりユニークな方法であり、人を殺すつもりだった人が彼らと恋に落ちてしまうのはかなり一般的なトロープです。その良い例は、最初はパルパティーンの最後の指揮の一部として彼を殺すつもりだったにもかかわらず、スターウォーズのためのディズニー拡張宇宙の材料でルーク・スカイウォーカーのために落ちたマラ・ジェイドと彼女の彼女です, または多分オースティンパワーズからイヴァナ・ハンパロット: 私を揺さぶったスパイ, オースティンを殺すために博士によって派遣されたスパイしかし、彼とチェスをした後、彼とセックスをしたいと思い、夢中のために手術を続けた。

そして、一体、追加のインセンティブを投げるために、私はカットの女の子がすでにゲームに入っている女の子を介して相互作用を持つことができる方法を挙げることさえできます。

例えば、ティナ・アームストロングと一緒に、彼女は彼らの両方が元ファッションモデルであったため、玉木と友好的なライバル関係を持つことができた。ファミツによると、ホノカは巨大なティナのファンガールなので、ティナとミラと交流し、ファンガールのティナに関して後者と友好的なライバル関係に巻き込まれることさえできた。さらに、ホノカの確立されたプロゲーマーなので、ティナ自身がゲーマーである方法についてのあいまいな側面をもたらすのにも役立ちます。

レイチェルにとって、明らかにモミジとの交流を除けば、彼女はフィーンドハンターとしての地位のためにニョテングとカンナとやや厄介なやり取りをすることができ、それでも彼女の休暇のゲストとして天狗とオニを容認する必要があります。

リサは、ミラとティナ、そしておそらくヘレナとの絆を除いて、両方がデビューゲームで技術的に同じ役割を果たしていたので、美咲とも交流し、仲良くなる可能性があります。たぶん、ルナとサウリとも結びついて、主に前者の学者の要素と後者の看護師のために。そして、彼女の科学的背景のために彼女の模倣の性質に興味を持っているため、ホノカとの絆を持っているかもしれません。

クリスティでさえ、彼女が女の子と対話できる一つの方法を持っているかもしれません。一つには、マリー・ローズとクリスティが交流しているのかもしれない、特に技術的にヘレナのために働いていたときには、前者と現在の召使いがどのように相互作用するかを見るのは良いことです。確かに、マリー・ローズは、彼らが参照されるならば、DOA6の出来事のために間違いなく彼女を警戒するだろうが、再び、彼女はタマキを警戒していた、それは本当に彼らが相互作用するのを止めなかった。そして、ルナとクリスティとの物理的な類似点のために、多分彼らも交流させるかもしれません。そして、それは私が特定の時間に思いついた例のほんの一握りです。誰が知っている、多分あなたはカットの女の子がキャストの残りの部分と対話するためのさらに多くの方法を思い付くでしょう。

Translation:
to Yasunori Sakuta. In regards to your apparent difficulties adding in the cut girls to DOAXVV (ie, Tina, Mila, Rachel, Christie and Lisa), I can offer some suggestions regarding how to overcome those troubles. You mentioned in particular that one problem is how to reconcile established backstories to have the girls actually like the Owner, citing in particular Leifang's canonical love interest in the form of Jann Lee as one reason. However, the other cut girls don't actually have any love interests.

Tina and Lisa certainly don't have any love interests as far as I know, with her interactions with Zack being platonic so far as I can tell (especially when Xtreme 3's ending for Helena implies that if anything, he might be in a relationship with her, or at the very least she's firmly aware of his feelings for her).

Mila merely has a fangirl crush on Bass Armstrong, and while she does have some interactions with Diego, there's nothing canonically pointing to either of them being romantically interested in each other.

Rachel does have a large degree of respect for Ryu Hayabusa in her home series of Ninja Gaiden and DOA5, but it's implied to be more of a camaraderie type of respect than romantic, like with Momiji, especially when canonically, Ryu Hayabusa is romantically involved with Irene Lew.

Lastly, regarding Christie, I don't really recall her ever having any romantic interests in anyone. She certainly didn't with Rig Donovan, viewing her more as a client, and if anything, both Dead or Alive Dimensions and Dead or Alive 4 strongly implied she'd turn against Donovan if given the opportunity. And as far as Rig, she's more of his handler, or rather, his trigger than an actual romantic partner. Probably the closest she has to any love interests is Eliot, and even there, it's mostly one-sided with him, as she herself is more affable to him than actually romantically interested in him.

To put it simply, it's actually a lot easier to add in the rest of the cut girls than it is to add Leifang due to them lacking any canonical love interests, at least, any love interests that they themselves have to someone else.

Besides, let's not forget that Hitomi has a canonical love interest as well in the form of Ein/Hayate, and she's included without problems even if she did technically appear in DOAX3 beforehand.

Regarding backstories in general, eh, I can think up of a couple of ways to add them in without it conflicting with the owner even without canon love interests. The main point of the festivals are about a celebration of a woman's beauty and strength, right? Well, simply use that for the various girls overall. I know Momiji and Hitomi at least were hesitant to join initially because of issues regarding beauty, so Rachel could be allowed to have that same issue as well, maybe Mila, since they're not the types to focus on beauty.

In fact, I can probably give a couple of ways for having them want to join the Festival, heck, even fall for the Owner if needs be.

For Tina, maybe have her decide to join the festival and win it because she sees it as a stepping stone for whatever new dream she has (could be Governor, could be something else since DOA6 implied she gave that one up due to being legally too young to run for office). Maybe gain some genuine respect for the Owner during this time and admit to possibly wanting to become a wife to him after gaining her dream.

For Mila, maybe have her focus more on the strength bit a little more, though still show some interest in beauty as required, maybe have some uncertainty about the beauty elements, like Hitomi in her story mode, or to an extent Momiji in her story mode. Maybe even have Tina's presence be a motivating factor for her going to the island as well, since she's a Tina fangirl. As far as falling with the Owner, maybe have her develop some respect for the Owner for taking her under his wing, maybe also teaching her that sometimes beauty doesn't hamper fighting.

For Rachel, like I said, probably have her join despite not really caring too much about beauty per-se because, aside from needing to hone her Fiend-hunting skills, she also wants to also enhance her beauty because she wants to further ensure she does not succumb to her cursed blood, still being affected by how Alma let her Fiend blood corrupt her and being forced alongside Ryu Hayabusa to take her out. As far as the Owner, maybe have her be slightly shy around him, mostly because he's the first person besides Momiji and Ryu that she's actually interacted with, and maybe have her eventually relax around him and realize maybe there's a bit more to life than being on the run from her cursed blood.

For Lisa, she could go to the island for essentially the same reason why Ayane and Helena went to the island: Namely, investigate a possible conspiracy that's going on at the island. Maybe also have some scientific curiosity regarding the beauty and strength bit. And as far as her interactions with the Owner, maybe give her a similar arc to Helena, where she is open to the Owner, but in a classy way.

And finally, for Christie, basically have her go to the Venus Islands for the same reason as Ayane and Helena: Investigate a conspiracy on behalf of MIST (assuming that's still around in the game anyway), or even just go there as part of a job of possibly targeting the Owner (whether it be for Donovan or someone unrelated to him is up to you), but after meeting with him and learning of the Venus Festival and it dealing with beauty and strength, she decides to spare him for the time being under the condition that she participate in the festival for her own ends, while toying with the idea of killing the Owner after the festival concludes. Oh, and maybe have her develop genuine feelings for the Owner throughout her character episodes to the extent that she comes close to having second thoughts regarding killing him. That would be a fairly unique way of handling a potential Owner romance, plus it's a fairly common trope where someone who intended to kill a person ends up falling in love with them. A good example of it is Mara Jade and her falling for Luke Skywalker in the pre-Disney Expanded Universe materials for Star Wars despite initially intending to kill him as part of Palpatine's final command, or maybe Ivana Humpalot from Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, who was dispatched by Dr. Evil to kill Austin and lure him into a trap, but after playing chess with him, ended up just wanting to have sex with him and forgoing the operation due to infatuation.

And heck, to throw in added incentive, I can even cite ways the cut girls can have interactions via the girls already in the game, stuff that if anything would aid tremendously in their backstories.

For example, with Tina Armstrong, she could have a friendly rivalry with Tamaki due to the both of them having been former fashion models. Since Honoka according to Famitsu is a huge Tina fangirl, she could also interact with Tina as well as Mila, even engage in a friendly rivalry with the latter regarding fangirling Tina. Plus, since Honoka's an established pro-gamer, it would also help to bring about an obscure aspect about how Tina herself is a gamer, maybe have her give Honoka a serious edge on that front.

For Rachel, aside from obviously interacting with Momiji, she could also have a somewhat awkward interaction with Nyotengu and Kanna due to her status as a Fiend hunter, and yet having to tolerate a Tengu and an Oni as her vacation guests.

Lisa, aside from bonding with Mila and Tina, and possibly also Helena, could also end up interacting with and befriending Misaki as well, since both did technically serve the same roles in their debut games. Maybe also bond with Luna and Sayuri as well, largely because of the former's scholar elements, and the latter's a nurse. And heck, maybe also have her bond with Honoka due to being curious about her copycat nature due to her scientific background.

Even Christie might have one way she can interact with the girls. For one thing, maybe have Marie Rose and Christie interact, especially when both technically worked for Helena at some point, and would be nice to see how the former and current servants interact. Granted, Marie Rose would definitely be wary of her due to the events of DOA6 if they are to be referenced, but then again, she was wary of Tamaki, and that really didn't stop them from interacting. And due to Luna's similarities physically to Christie, maybe have them interact as well. And that's just a handful of examples I could come up with at a given time. Who knows, maybe you'll come up with even more ways for the cut girls to interact with the rest of the cast.
 
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So, anyways, any suggestions on the planned twitlonger post I provided? We need to convince Sakuta D. to add the cut girls stat, and even tell him there's nothing to worry about especially regarding backstories and whether they'll fall in love with the Owner with said backstories (I'm definitely sure that unlike Leifang, none of the other cut girls have any canon love interests).
 

KasumiLover

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So, anyways, any suggestions on the planned twitlonger post I provided? We need to convince Sakuta D. to add the cut girls stat, and even tell him there's nothing to worry about especially regarding backstories and whether they'll fall in love with the Owner with said backstories (I'm definitely sure that unlike Leifang, none of the other cut girls have any canon love interests).
I wouldnt bother tbh, TN isnt gonna add anyone that isn't popular in X3 or VV unless somehow they do another Japanese based poll to see which 1-2 cut girls should return xD plus tbh it's probably a good thing they aren't in VV with how it's handled now, I don't think Lisa or Tina or Christie would fit unless it was the standard DOAX3 game, VV is more suited for the younger cutesy girls. Even Helena and Nyo don't really fit imo, but I think they had them in so they could have a quota met for the older girls
 
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