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The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
oO Kokoro has a subaki i believe, what is a subaki? i might be thinking about the wrong thing.
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
A Subaki is a Virtua Fighter 'Deflect' that guarantees a free Full DMG Combo. Each Virtua Fighter Guest has one Subaki that guarantees a 80-100 dmg combo if the Subaki is landed. However, two events happened on DOA5U Online that forced Yeam Ninja to Nerf each Subaki.
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
What were those 2 events?
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
1. Unknown player/s complained that Akira, Pai, and Sarah's 'Special Counters'(Subaki's) were cheap by saying they 'had too much range and active frames'. Ironically, only Akira's subaki can be done without special requirements (I.E. doing a subaki's prerequisite attack). Most players didn't realize that some Akira users, like me, came directly from VF5:FS, so I use Akira VF style
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
2.Scrub VF Users abused the subaki's. I'm sure it was heard (at least once) that "People who use Sarah cheat!" This is because back in DOA5 Vanilla, 5PPP,64(Subaki),P, was the go-to strategy for scrub Sarah users for its ability to parry High and Mid Punches. The active frames for it, I think, was 12 frames. It was a Bread-N-Butter for people who liked using Sarah.
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
What is doa5 vanilla? oO
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
and also i think kokoro has a subaki B)
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
DOA5 the original before DOA5U came out
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
Oh... so you're saying ppl were complaining so it got nerfed lol
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
And No, Kokoro's 44P is not a Subaki, Its an attack parry. Its Team Ninja's attempt to 1UP Virtua Fighter Subaki's. Elliot, Kokoro, Leifeng, and Hitomi have them, but player's abuse these Attack Parries also. You wanna know that is?
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
To answer both questions, the result is because 'Subaki's break the Triangle System'
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Any DOA players are aware of the Triangle System, even if the haven't studied it. "Strikes>Throws. Throws>Holds. Holds>Strikes." However, if a 'Subaki' was added to the equation, then "Throws<Subaki>Strikes" would happen. In this regard, Subaki's destroy the Triangle System and discord the way the game is suppose to function
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
oO wow, no wonder ppl think vf characters are cheap lol, so how do you do akira's subaki?
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Akira's Mouko Kouhazan(9/3H) is the Strongest Subaki's of all the Virtua Fighter Guests. It stops High,Mid, and Low Punches and High Kicks. The active frames was 16 frames in DOA5 and was 13 Frames in the 1.03 Update.

It lasted about half as long than the standard DOA5 22 Active Frame Holds. Meaning, a Subaki can guarantee a combo that can do 70-90 DMG
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
That is cheap and unfair to me... i mean high, mid, AND low punches, + high kicks?!?!?! that's insane
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
That may be insane to a DOA Player, but for a VF Player that's natural. Subaki's are one of the things that made Virtua Fighter an in-depth fighting game. In VF, each character has their own "Edge" that makes them a scary opponent, even the ones that have no Subaki's
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
Virtua fighter isn't really as big as games like doa,tekken and sc, my brother got it but said it sucked ._.
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Its probably because your brother tried doing combos only. In Virtua Fighter, Combs are a bi-product of a player mastering a character. Meaning, combos aren't a requirement to win a fight in that game.

Most players who play fighting games look for "combos" rather than "techniques" because it is commonly viewed that combos win fights
The_King_Edo
The_King_Edo
so i'm guessing your favorite game is virtua fighter? cause it doesn't seem your a fan of doa as much as you are of vf
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
Hakkyoku-Ken:Budo Lion
I don't have a favorite so long as the battle can be enjoyed
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