Free Step Dodge

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CrimsonCJ
Sidestep punch works on most, the rest needs to be ducked.
Doug Nguyen
Doug Nguyen
For the attacks right, do you do the duck for the throw? Its really annoying that he can basically put you in a guessing game the whole game with just one technique. They literally just turtle then spam the teleports.
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CrimsonCJ
Yes, you have to kinda guess to duck the throw. That said, on reaction I did OK because they don't come out instantly.
Doug Nguyen
Doug Nguyen
How annoying. And they say Helena's force tech puts you in a guessing game, at least she has to work for it. Ryu can just spam it out on no hit.
Brute
Brute
The teleport throw is extremely slow and can actually be dodged on reaction. All of his other teleports are beat by walking backward, sidestepping, or simply standing in place and blocking. If Ryu players are turtling and simply spamming teleports, they're literally just giving you free wins. moveset.
Brute
Brute
That's the stupidest tactic you can use with Ryu. Helena can use the standard tactics to avoid 'em like anyone else, and he BKO stance is excellent for dodging Ryu's highs and mids, which comprise most of his moveset. Note you can also bait them with the BKO duck, which will result in them trying to use the kick. Then, quickly exit the stance when he teles, then counter it.
Brute
Brute
Crimson and I have fought quite a few Helena v Ryu battles. He'll have some good advice.
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CrimsonCJ
You don't BKO duck the teleports. Almost all of Ryu's options beat out the BKO duck.
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CrimsonCJ
Honestly, as far as the teleports go, sidestep P/ducking the throw always set me up just fine. I haven't tried to respond to them by blocking on reaction, but I think that would actually probably work just fine. I have to test if you would just be looking to throw or respond with 3PPP.
Brute
Brute
BKO duck will beat at least 33% of options. xD
Doug Nguyen
Doug Nguyen
I tried BKO ducking and it always gets me. I side step he throws, its like he could read my mind.
Brute
Brute
It shouldn't. As I understand it, the BKO duck will dodge anything a normal crouch does. The ong throw should only grand full stands. Regular ducking (despite being open to mids) will dodge it fine.
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CrimsonCJ
This isn't true. BKO duck has an entirely different set of rules. Hayabusa's non-throw options beat them all.
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