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what happened to 2/8 P+KP? i dont notice anything different

played around with 1.04 Lisa tonite. Not really much difference, except that BT :2::K: is still +28 if used during critical stun. edit: whoops, didnt know that the change was only for :6::6::P::K:. /shrug Also, not sure if this was present in previous versions, but BT :4::K: will glitch out and...

just a few more notes: WR :4::p+k: (the old :h3::p+k:) is +1 on block at mid distance, possibly more at max range. Despite the muscle elbow being slower, it still seems un-interruptible. Really wish the BT throw became an OH, would've made that +1 so nice, sigh. old :236::p+k: is now...

Well, since the opponent is backturned, they are not really at +11, they are at +16, because it takes 5 frames to turn around. So basically :6::P: is guaranteed after :4::4::f+p:! You can juggle with :6::P::8::K: after landing :4::4::f+p:, but if the opponent is really quick, they can slow...

i dont even think there are any force techs left for lisa. just pseudo ones if the opponent doesnt get up. But nice find Cylith. About the upcoming patch change to 66PK/BT 2K: i think the reason they nerfed the frame advantage on it is, because after a counter hit, BT 7K gets you full launch...

is it confirmed she'll actually have a dub? I can see them only having one voice for her like the VF characters

dammit, i misread that. sorry. Thanks for responding @EMPEROR_COW , i thought you meant it would be going back to an OH plus the old frame advantage, then i re-read my original question.

Thank you for clarifying. We were talking in the bass thread that it might be returned to an OH, which is why i was asking.

these are really good tips, thank you. I thought Fang was in crouching when using 1PP and shoulder, this is good to know.

are you referring to the frame advantage nerf or are you saying the BT throw will remain a throw and not be returned to an OH?

honestly i dont really use it because she has 7P.

dont know if this was present in vanilla, but anyone have trouble with 3k whiffing on crouching attacks? I've had it completely whiff on Ein sweeps, ayane sweeps, and christie lows. There may be more, havent tested yet.

i assume it means whether it leaves you in open or closed stance. Not sure tho. I dont think these changes are that big a deal tbh, 66T being nerfed on normal is okay as long as the counter version is intact. 2k being 0 on normal hit seems alright.

Thank you for pointing out the possibilities with these buffs. BT throw being returned to an OH would be amazing, i hope that makes it in!

I always thought it was weird that her BT walk and crabwalk were seemingly faster than her regular walk speed. It made for some hilarious movement. Oh well. Everything else seems negligible.

i think the nerfs are to the BT OH actually, they nerfed the damage on it, but buffed the damage if you land it on a backturned opponent.

Dammit, rachel strut has been nerfed. I loved her crab walk and BT walking away animations, was so funny to troll people with.

So . . . thoughts on upcoming Bass changes? I dont even know what to do with them tbh, was 4P+K even worth using anyways?