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The reason why I would go against 6p being nerfed that way is because many Helena players expect the opponent to tech roll. So as soon as the triple slaps finish, I immediately go into backfacing. If the opponent does not tech roll, I do 2p, and if they do tech roll, you have a crazy mix up...

Maybe 0 on hit would be best. It would be a trade off in order to keep her ground game intact. I agree that Helena is too powerful because of her ground game. This is all to balance her out and/or reduce her options after a failed/successful forced tech. I am not trying to nerf her moves for...

You may be right about 9p2k, but I am saying this about pp2k because Helena has pp4p. This is a good mix up that also has a small delay, and can be confusing. they should leave her at less of an advantage. Almost similar to the behavior of pp2k in DOA4, but not leaving her at as much of a...

Helena does have her shortcomings. On a scale of 5 I would rate her the following: speed: 3 damage: 3 throw: 3 evasiveness: 4 (including sidestep followup options) distance fighting: 2 safe moves: 3 (pre update that would be a solid 2) ground game: 5 tracking: 3 (moves that have tracking)...

Helena's bokuho duck was most abusable in DOA 2 and 3, when she absolutely needed it. Because of her lower tier status, it was an integral part of her game. In DOA 4, it wasn't that great. It had very long recovery to it. In DOA 4.1, its recovery was improved, but it was still pretty slow...

I am a proud Helena player, which is why I've been using her since 2001, and still play her today.

it's sad that Helena isn't on this list anymore. her difficulty made me proud to be a Helena player back in 3 and ultimate. Akira is a BEAST!!! especially after the update. a lot if his moveset is easier to do in this game than VF, but once you have those just frames down and can buffer in...

I think it's because we need to wait until the beach stage becomes free DLC. not sure though. (at least this is what I heard)

it can be used in the middle of the combo. 8p pushes them higher, so you can get in 2pp and then tag in your partner. i've frequently done it, tagged in my partner, they did their thing, and then i was able to use it one more time, and then finish the combo with the tag partner. it's stupid...

it sounds stupid, but 8pp2p works surprisingly well in tag.

I think Kasumi is the queen of tag in this game. I know that before the update, revision goes down like crazy the more you switch characters in the middle of a combo. Kasumi can keep a character in the air all her own if the opponent is launched high enough. She can do pkk6k, kk6k, pkk7k 6p+k...

when is this patch supposed to land?

HELL YES!

When DoA5 1.03 was originally released, it came with a note saying, "Fixed a bug when an opponent was already in some stuns which cannot be tech rolled and a followup attack was made, then the un-tech-rollable status was maintained." I THINK this is the note that took away her ground game as...

From Team Ninja 1.03A Patch Details: Disabled tech rolls for certain moves for which tech rolls had mistakenly been allowed in Ver. 1.03. *The following Ver. 1.03 bug fix was reverted to its previous state: "Fixed a bug when an opponent was already in some stuns which cannot be tech rolled...

As a player who has seen the new patch in action, but has yet to play it, I have a few questions for those who have personally played the new Helena. I would be grateful if someone could answer these for me. (1) if your opponent techs after the second to last hit of 33p4p, does it leave...