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Training settings, Counter, Always Counter. If you want to test what's unholdable after the slip stun, you also need to set the stagger escape to fastest, critical hold to fastest and the critical hold needs to match what you're doing. If you want to check if a mid punch is guaranteed, then set...

I thought we're talking about "trip stuns" on slippery surfaces here, because that guarantees you a move that's less than 20 frames, most of the time. Even on fastest SE and fastest critical hold.

Whoa, this list will be massive. :D Anyways, there's one more thing that has to be mentioned: if you do a "trip stun" on a slippery surface, you can even hit your opponent with certain high moves, even though they're on the ground. Example would be Momiji's 8P or 8K. I posted a couple of...

Slippery surfaces extend the stun, so you can get guaranteed follow-ups. Like the one I posted for Momiji.

@KING JAIMY said he's looking for this particular slip stun

I don't really know how Kokoro works, but here's a setup that's unholdable even on fastest SE, just like all the setups I've posted so far: :kokoro: 6P+K, 7K, BT P6PP+K P+K --- all weight classes, 73 damage Her 6P+K is a low/high hit that also causes slip stun. So it's 1P, 1K (leaves her in...

I tried a few of these Akira setups to confirm. I think these setups can all be SE'd. Anyways, I edited my Kasumi post, came up with another flashy guaranteed setup against midweights and below. I'm terrible. Kokoro's 1K, 1P and 2K cause slip stun. I'm too tired to figure out stuff for her.

Trying my best to help you out. :) :kasumi: Kasumi This one's a bit complicated. 1P, 7K-6P+K, 9PK-6P+K, KK --- 61 damage, all weight classes Simple version for 50 damage 1P, 7K-6P+K, KK --- all weight classes I'm done for today, lol. Edit: Can't stop. 1P, 33K, 66K-K(!)-7K-P+K --- 75...

:ayane: Ayane 2H+K, 4K, PPPK --- 76 damage, works on all weight class 2H+K, 4K, PK, 7K --- 76 damage, works on light/midweights

Yeah, it does. I will list it if it's high counter only. :)

I will do that, but first: :nyotengu: Nyotengu: 2H+KK-P+K, PK, T --- 91 damage, all weight class BT 2P, 3P, 8PPP-P+K, P+K --- 79 damage, all weight class

It's nearly impossible to break the mounts online, plus you can perfect your timing and make it impossible to break it offline as well. I've yet to see a person that breaks Rikuto's combo throws for example. And no, I don't think we've fought before. I either host a lobby for Europeans or join...

Well, beating out the opponent's move with a low is more likely than beating out a throw. Besides, the setups that work on counter hit also work on high counter, but not the other way around. It just makes things a lot more complicated. Furthermore, we would need to list 2 damage outputs this way.

Well, I just edited my post to say that Hitomi can get a slip stun with PP2K, by whiffing the first 2 punches. However, she can do it with 2K on high counter. So what's the rule now? Do we only care about counter hit or high counter as well?

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one. For the sake of variety let's do it like this: 1PP, 3PPP+KT --- 98 damage, all weight class I really don't think Momiji can do it, but I will do a thorough test tomorrow. In the meantime, I found something strange. Hitomi can only do it with PP2K. You need to...

Let's try this again. :rachel: Rachel: 2H+K, 9K, T, 6PKP (9P, 6KP against lighter characters, adds 2 points of damage) --- 86 damage You can use 7P instead of 9K, makes it 81 damage with the 6PKP finish, 83 with the other.

It is guaranteed on slippery surfaces, like ice or water. There you go:

I'll do the gif to compensate for spreading the wrong information. :D

Oh, now I see. Momiji cannot do this, I'm afraid. Guess I should head over to a trip stun thread, because the setup I posted is good, lol.

He does on the first one. The second is the same thing, except for the stance. Or am I wrong too? This is confusing.