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regarding voice acting, i think rig and bass got pretty good english voice actors... and the female cast is pretty awful By the way, the Hayate vs Bass 2nd video and the Jann Lee vs Bass video are messed up :/ EDIT: By watching the Brad Wong vs Jann Lee i realized how IMPORTANT it is that...

Hey guys i think the point is getting misunderstood. The problem right now isnt the low hold, and how it is too strong or not so strong, etc. The problem is any hold done in the very very very first few frames after you got stunned. The problem is that, with the fast recovery they have, the...

Check out the Rig vs Eliot match, Rig does the same but by doing a low hold, he actually does a high hold i believe, gets hit out of it, low holds exactly after the punish, and recovers to block the next mid. I think its a problem

I agree with you, i agree that if i see my opponent hold low and still do a high attack, he should be able to then block the mid, cuz i fuked up by punishing incorrectly. I think the solution you propose is pretty damn good actually... not only for low holds but for every hold except unholdable...

thanks bro EDIT: if u got nething more to say besides discussing gameplay though, send a pm, ill be sure to ignore it. Too old for this shit. Anything gameplay related though, please go ahead, thats what these forums are for ^_^ 2nd EDIT: Of course you made me mad, why would i deny it. I...

Why shouldnt you be hit with the mid attack after that? If youre in stun and you think a high attack is coming, then you should only be able to high counter to get out of the situation. The problem with the low hold is that it is too strong, it gets you out of the high attack, it gets you out...

Since i havent done so in this thread, i would like to point out that the recovery of the holds is too fast, and it still allows the player who got hit to hold in the first few frames after the stun and thus to recover in time to block the next attack. By holding he bypasses stun status and...

But a whiffed hold that recovers fast enough so you can block follow up attacks is a big problem in high level play man, imo.

yo dude, hold thing is over and done with, let it go ^_^ Just get your shit straight before you post more stupidity about VF and DoA :)

I. There were no critical jabs in doa4 unless it was a high counter, or they were used on an opponent still stunned. II. Holds as we know them in doa dont even exist on virtua fighter... III. Holds didnt get faster in DOA5, the recovery was just NOT increased Regardless on your opinion on hold...

youre right... should tone it down. I just cant believe some1 believes it is a good thing to not get punished for fuk ups but hey... its a video game, nothing more, nothing less. Persona 4 is coming out in Europe pretty soon, and ill have my hands full with that anyway. Ill buy the game...

Oh i get it, you hate loosing health because you fucked up and got punished... great, people like you make doa suck, thank you very much.

Why the hell should player 1 have an answer to it? player 2 ALREADY FUCKED UP BY MISSING THE HOLD, why should player 1 adjust to player 2s fuck up when player 1 ALREADY DID THE RIGHT THING by getting the hit/stun in? Are you fucking kidding me? Why do some people here think that defence...

Dude.. you have no clue 0_0. We shouldnt have more chances to stop it, you should be punished for being STUNNED instead of giving chances to save yourself and deal damage at the same time... and the way the recovery of the holds works right now if you hold on the first few frames after being...

Hold recovery is still too short, this game will be a fuking hold fest again. All my expectations were destroyed by those videos

Some things have been fixed, that is true, sidestepping for one now works, and im happy for that. But that doesnt change SHIT, if hold recovery is so fast that holding in the first few frames AFTER being hit allows you to block the following attack then the game will suck even with all this sit...

And 2:07 from the Rig vs Elliot match we see the SAME BULLSHIT AGAIN, this time with the infamous low hold... Rig gets stunned, mashes hold in the first few frames...manages to block the follow up... TN didnt learn a thing from the disaster that was doa4

At the 0:07 Mark in the second video we still see the SAME FUKING BULLSHIT as in doa4... ayane holded on the first holdable frames of the stun, and thus she recovered in time to block the next attack. The recovery from the holds is still TOO FUKING SHORT, ayane miss the hold and got REWARDED...

And who gives a fuk about her being rare/overplayed/unique/etc...??? Please people... PLEASE.... dont fall into this stupid mentality, or get rid of it as soon as possible if you still have it. Its dumb, its stupid, it doesnt make sense. YOU ARE NOT UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTER YOU PICK ON A...

Oh please.... dont even start with this bullshit... low tier whores are even more annoying than high tier ones. Play the character you want, for whatever reason you want to... and if its top tier, more power to you, if its low, learn to overcome it. But dont give us the "satisfying/takes more...