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I'm not an expert at (DOA5) Pai nor Bayman, but... Pai does have 1F+K and 4K, which could both deal with the tank roll. 4K is risky because Bayman also has his parry. It'll then become a guessing game between parry and tankroll. But her 1F+K seems like a fine move to counteract both.

You can read more discussions/comments, where I also contributed a few things here: http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/emperor-cows-dead-or-alive-5-leifang-training-video.2753

I would be ok with the VF character if they added someone that's actually slow... Like Jeffry or Wolf... They were in the first VF too.. Now, the fastest characters are being transposed, and they can likely walk all over most of the DOA cast. We don't know which changes the system will bring...

If you want to read the whole Kokoro vs Christie "controversy" that was going, it started here: http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/the-official-dead-or-alive-5-tier-list-with-discussion-thread.2082/page-52#post-92114 It has multiple arguments from people who think it's 6-4, and people...

Blackburry I see you very wisely avoided mentioning Christie xD

Depends on the price whether I'll bother getting it right away, or at all...

Seems ok for the most part. Only one I really don't get is Brad being a worse matchup than Christie.

What about... A shake mechanic? They stand together like they're trying to push each other, and the one who 'slow escapes' the fastest, causes a throw break that gives him a slight advantage.

I'd say Tina and Leifang are pretty even. Sure. Fang has those high damage advanced holds, and she has her mid kick hold, but, Tina's grab do more damage on HC than Leifang's holds do (except her mid K hold). Leifang can't be throwing holds out like crazy like she can do against most of the...

You've just discovered Kokoro's worst match up in the whole game. She's at a complete disadvantage against Christie. I've argued this in the tier list thread, but people said I was exaggerating... But Kokoro has no tools to reliably deal with Jakeiho at all. What you could theoretically do is...

That's not me playing. Just a random video that shows JAK's stuff here and there. In the first 10 seconds you already see what JAK does to Kokoro. And yeah, the fight was not good enough. However, someone posted a video of Christie walking all over Bass. But that one, no one questions, and take...

Oh don't talk to me about discussions. A discussion is when people present arguments and those arguments are addressed by tackling the reasons provided directly. It's not a discussion when what you say is being ignored or is being shoved away as being unimportant, and the same shit is being...

Just like most disagreed with me regarding Helena being mid and not bottom tier right..? Why should I say anything? Everyone is gonna disagree with me anyway, because I'm always wrong. But if you must know, Ayane. No one listens to my reasoning, so I'm not gonna explain.

Ok. I choose to go my own way... Maybe people will hate me for it, but you can't please everyone.

Kokoro's defensive options suck. Any Kokoro player knows that. However, I can play defensively with her just fine. I have little trouble against someone like Kasumi or Pai with Kokoro. Christie is another story, and it's because of JAK. The whole low throw and Sabaki nonsense I already explained...

Ok then. Consider my remark revoked. The alternative you suggested doesn't really work if your opponent timed the hold correctly. You'll get hit in the face.

Don't pretend like I don't know how to play the game.

Well, someone who does this a lot is XXXDA KILLAHXXX. You have a stun, just after you hit him to extend, he holds. When you put out your next move, he can easily block it. If he's expecting a slower move, he can even punch you out of your own move after you just got a stun in. It's harder to do...

Ok ok. I said it was my last reply, but, I can't let this crap about Bass/Kokoro vs Christie slide. Sorry I lied. Wall of text incoming... tldr; Don't ignore JAK for speed, because that's biased. Bass and Kokoro are similar against Christie. Let me explain this a bit more, because it seems...

I've been arguing for Kokoro vs Christie being 7-3 in favor of Christie this whole time. So, the list would be: Zack x Helena 5-5 Ryu x Hayate 6-4 Rig x Gen Fu 4-6 Christie x Kokoro 7-3 Brad x Bayman 6-4 Wanna read why? Read my previous post.