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The new buffs to 9KP and its variants led me back to the lab to look at some stuff. Did you guys know that CH :K::K::P: will leave you at +2 and in BT? On normal, you will be at -2. This is pretty sweet, because KK on its own grants a tremendous amount of stun (+27), in fact the stun it...

i think he meant Dragon Punch, as in, the move is still invincible as hell.

I'm assuming belly stun is the one where they crumple over (holding their stomach)? If so, i believe this means it is a stun that can be held, but not slow escaped. (someone correct me if im wrong).

Lisa wasn't bad either, and she got buffed, so this is an exciting time!

I feel sad for Eliot players. Don't know why they shit on him with those changes. Reminds me of T. Hawk 2012 patch notes :confused:

thanks for clarifying this, this explains why some of Lisa's lows don't do much at max range.

Can someone clarify what "Helena's stun on 3KK is invulnerable, just like other stuns" means? Does that mean it is a natural combo, and that there are more in the game?

Also, i didn't even know about the update notes until i visited Eventhubs, this should be the first article at least on the front page, imo.

Yeah, walls will become really frickin scary if that's the case. I like it!:)

Yeah, Synce brought that up during the earlier promo vid. I don't think it will be redundant because, i'm assuming, it will do more damage as a punish throw than deja vu. I don't believe zero damage throws get any HCT bonus, so deja vu will still be the go-to throw for hold punishing; for...

You're right about that, upon watching the vid again, it appears Lisa sidestepped then did 8p. Maybe it's usable during sidestep now?

Hmm, i'm unsure atm. Do zero damage throws even get anything if they are HCT? I don't think the follow up attacks get any damage bonuses, and you sure as hell don't get any extra frame advantage. Guess we'll see tho when 1.03 hits!;)

Yes! I love it when both players are circling each other, it looks sweet, like a stare down or something lol

So glad for the BT CB. This should discourage low hold definitely. I just realized right now that low hold eliminates most of BT's attacks, which is pure silliness. Look at all these moves that low hold will beat: BT p BT k BT 7k BT throw BT body splash BT jumping OH BT 2p BT 2k That only...

BT 7P is faster than the other CB, so yes, it is much better, can't wait! Now people have something to look out for when we're BT; this should discourage people that just love spamming low hold against BT. booty bump was always guaranteed after 64 throw, but it didn't give enough advantage to...

Puttin on quite a show there, Gruff! Your Lisa is really great to watch, keep it up. I like how you used 7k into P+K, nice trick ;)

Lisa buffs look promising. Making a good character even better--yes, please!

Went back to VF for a while (♥), and came back to discover this. My reaction to that video: :eek::eek::eek: I can't read the frame data at the bottom because of the low quality, but it looks like the game was sped up ever so slightly? Things i noticed from the Lisa vid(and i maybe totally...

Suggestions to land :f+k:: After blocked body splash, free cancel the splash, then :4::P::6::K: After landing :P::P:, on normal or counter hit: free cancel, :f+k: or :4::P::6::K: CH :2::K::P::6::K: Also, as an alternative to the usual :4::P::K:, air throw combo that most of use after max...