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I have the game set to English. I like some of the English voice actors, but I couldn't give a shit less about the Japanese voices.

I tested the Hiten transition. I didn't do it thoroughly enough to give a number, but I can guarantee you that it's negative enough for this transition to be worthless.

I did some experimentation with 6P+KP. On block, the frame data in-game says that it's +14, but it's actually only +3. My process: AI set to Block, then High Punch: Tengu's P+K(i11) beats Kasumi's P(i9) Tengu's P(i14) loses to Kasumi's P(i9) This put the + frames between 2 and 4 AI set to...

Some still do. Had it in my GT for a bit too.

The "Darth" part of my name is a relic of an old Jedi Academy clan I was in. "Lotonic" is just some made up word that I thought sounded cool. The "X" is just there because my original GT was banned for some reason.

They got rid of the relaunch in Doa4 to get rid of the slope infinite. With the changes to Doa5's juggle system, I'm surprised they didn't change it back sooner.

I had our discussion moved from the Tina Thread to the Lisa match-up thread.

This discussion I'm having in the Tina Forum is getting too Lisa Centric. If you could move Gruff"s post and my response to it to the Lisa General Thread(or Match-up thread) that would be great. Link to Gruff's Post: http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/tina-matchup-thread.1793/page-2#post-217136

Implying that whiff punishing a jab is an easy feat. Against Tina this is bad, but I think you are overstating Lisa's range game. My statement was about the 66K transition. I'll elaborate on that, after 66K6 you have: H+P, OH throw- Loses to jab. K - Loses to jab P - Forgot about this move...

I second the return of Zack's old 33K. New one is dicks.

An addition to Lisa match-up that applies to everyone (not just Tina) is that Lisa is never at advantage when she goes BT. If she goes BT, hit her with your fastest mid. Also, if you get hit or block her 66K, and she goes into her run stance; just jab. Worst case scenario, you get knocked down.

I've noticed that Nyotengu's PB has some interesting properties. The PB only connects at half screen at max distance, but if you do it from farther only it'll plant her right in front of her opponent. You'd think that this would be completely useless, but her PB seems to have 0 recovery frames...

I'm surprised no one has pointed out that 4P+K looks nothing like her PB. It has a different sound effect, too.

I hope that this thread is a joke. It's hard to read sarcasm through text, especially when you're hardwired to expect stupidity in people.

If the Sarah-Bass match-up is 7-3 than so is the Sarah-Tengu. The only real difference is that Tengu's P+K is faster.

Doa2 didn't have 12 frame throws. Throws were 3-7 frames unless it was a catch throw like Dragon Gunner or Tina's 46T. The 12 frame throw shit wasn't added until 4.

Not the same thing. As I said before, any implication on my part was unintentional. Also, Nyotengu wouldn't be the first character that was very similar to an older version. Ein is basically a copy/paste from 4.

No such implication was deliberately made. My post was about Tengu, and only Tengu. Any connection to any other character was you reading too much into it. As for Nyotengu's "potential", I personally don't see it going anywhere. She's Doa4 Tengu with a couple new tricks. It doesn't matter...

Nyotengu is not so different from the older iterations that it takes that long to learn and it's not like Tengu has ever been difficult to learn.

Tengu's 4T was i8 in 4. Pretty bad, but could have been worse. Bayman's fastest unbreakable was i11(or i12, grapplers were usually 1 frame faster) and I think Kasumi's was i10. I forgot about 6P, my bad. Haven't seen many oki options for Nyo. Ground throw gimmicks, 9P hop over garbage, and...