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Yeah again only for punishing though right? It doesnt affect stun situations or am i wrong? Actually never mind i just remembered it affects stun game too

Yeah i know... but i thought in stun cases it knocked down... (when i tried to use it in training for cb setup) am i wrong? Anyway cant you just launch after the sitdown? why risk a hold on your launcher?

Yeah what i meant to say is that not all high crush moves beat them... so gens 2k could still be a high crush but not considered standing attack (like punish with standing throws instead of low throws and the example with the offensive holds)

4p is the launching move here right?

2k changed to standing status it doesnt mention frames at all so im saying it might still crush highs but get beat from oh (sometimes even throws... leifangs 1p+k wont crush shinning wizard for ex) Ok i ll try... lei fangs 1p+k (the move she goes all the way back and then lunges her arms...

Yes thats right... You should now that depending on the other character you may win or lose depending on their moves too... 12f mid is a fairly good speed though it will only lose to most characters jab (although most good players rarely use is cause it can be easilly crushed) or from kasumis...

I believe the +2 is only for on block (like trying to punish something) but i might be wrong

In her state prepatch shes definetely top 5 her only weakness is her ranged game... Also her 1 p+k hasnt got that much of a range... it just evades a lot, you cant use it as an advancing move... your best bet is 6h+k (and hope they wont step) run and block or oh (which just knocks down) The...

There where always a bunch of them... (in psn shes one of the most used char from my experience but only a few use her good)

I think standing status means it doesnt evade oh but the crush frames are intact... For ex leis 1p or 1p+k is a high/mid crush move but it cant crush oh, while 2h+k does

The only change that is bad (if it affects block too, which i dont think it does cause on a move for tina for ex they increased the recovery and decreased the disadvantage on block) is the 66p if its still safe on block she didnt get anything too serious

What?

She doesnt get advtantage but she is safe... I think only 8k will still be unsafe because you can punish with low throws if i remember correctly, but still all her other ones are safe and she gets adv from 46p

Mamba with helena, Master with Ryu NykNyks with Leifang and Vanessa with Jahn

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Why do people keep saying this? She didnt get even one nerf only buffs! I dont get it...

No we are aware but still dont know how the mean it for ex 64p is a stun that if you dont follow it up the opponent goes to the floor so we ll have to wait and see what works after the patch and what not

You could always just look at their cg counterparts im pretty sure you ll change opinion :P

Yeah i find that crushing in this game is somewhat unreliable (or maybe its just the netcode not sure havent tested)

I dont like how they promote the game but lets be serious not this or doax are the reasons this isnt at evo, and not respected by other communities... The way the game plays is the only reason... If its was the fighting game most of us wanted doax or no doax swimsuits or not wouldnt change the...